Pump or Double Barrel for Older Woman

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I'll take a guess she is pretty much helpless. I doubt she could work a pump or lift a double barrel.

I honestly have no advice that I can offer.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
I have recently seen the new Ruger 9mm carbine in action. It is light and trivial recoil. Shotguns are not the way to go - let's skip the god of thunder's hammer cliches.

I had a coworker who could never understand why his frail elderly wife wouldn't go shoot the 12 gauge pistol grip he bought for her defense. He was an idiot. There was a recent show with Michael Bane and Gabe Suarez shooting various pistol grip, Shockwave type and fully stocked shotguns. See if it is online and then rethink a shotgun.

Pumps are notorious for malfunctions if short stroked, etc. - esp. with folks with little practice. The next shot is a bear if not held properly.

A 10/22 she could shoot would be better than a shotgun that she can't.
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Good advice.
 
410 probably wouldn't bother her at all. Have the barrel cut back to min length and have the stock fitted to her. Then get her out to where she can shoot now and then. I think it's a bad idea to put a gun in some one's hands that doesn't already shoot. Best thing I heard was an alarm system. Think I'd put dead bolt's on every door and rig the window's so they can't be opened all the way. Probably motion detector light's would be enough but I'd put them with the alarm system. A gun is not the answer to all problems. Putting one in her hands could make the event worse should she have second though's about shooting another human being.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
I have recently seen the new Ruger 9mm carbine in action. It is light and trivial recoil. Shotguns are not the way to go - let's skip the god of thunder's hammer cliches.

I had a coworker who could never understand why his frail elderly wife wouldn't go shoot the 12 gauge pistol grip he bought for her defense. He was an idiot. There was a recent show with Michael Bane and Gabe Suarez shooting various pistol grip, Shockwave type and fully stocked shotguns. See if it is online and then rethink a shotgun.

Pumps are notorious for malfunctions if short stroked, etc. - esp. with folks with little practice. The next shot is a bear if not held properly.

A 10/22 she could shoot would be better than a shotgun that she can't.
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+1

Some scoff at the notion, but a BX-25 equipped 10/22 loaded with quality CCI loads would be NO FUN to face down and has nearly 0 recoil and low noise. Would be effective and even fun for her to train with. A 9mm carbine might also be an even better choice if she can handle it. The Beretta Cx4 Storm is a proven reliable gun in service with a surprising number of Police departments and similar entities around the world. The new Ruger 9mm carbine also shows promise.
 
Keltec and Hi Point carbines have awfully beefy springs. Might be difficult for her to operate.

I haven't handled the Ruger, so I don't know if it's any better.
 
kozak6 said:
Keltec and Hi Point carbines have awfully beefy springs. Might be difficult for her to operate.

I haven't handled the Ruger, so I don't know if it's any better.
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That is true, and for that reason, I would be hesitant to suggest one to someone who is weakened or frail. The Ruger is easier to rack.

A panic alarm around the neck, good locks and a dog is a better suggestion for an elderly person who won't invest the time to practice and become proficient.
 
Reading this thread, I wonder how many folks who recommend a pump shotgun in 12 gauge have taken a self-defense course with that sort of gun that requires movement and follow-up shots. Or shot a tactical type match with one. Or a FOF exercise that encompassed movement, more than one shot, holding the gun while manipulating other things.

I know we aren't considering handguns here but sometimes the shotgun recommendation is more a cliche driven suggestion than a practical one.

Watching folks jam up a pump from a stroking error (not that I would ever do that under stress makes me not sanguine about the suggestion.
 
Glenn E. Meyer said:
Reading this thread, I wonder how many folks who recommend a pump shotgun in 12 gauge have taken a self-defense course with that sort of gun that requires movement and follow-up shots. Or shot a tactical type match with one. Or a FOF exercise that encompassed movement, more than one shot, holding the gun while manipulating other things.

I know we aren't considering handguns here but sometimes the shotgun recommendation is more a cliche driven suggestion than a practical one.

Watching folks jam up a pump from a stroking error (not that I would ever do that under stress makes me not sanguine about the suggestion.
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I don't wonder at all. It is very few. I have taught shotgun to Marines from Quantico, the guys who train the Marines who guard the embassies with M4s. I placed 14th and made the shoot-off at the IPSC Shotgun Championship and compete regularly with a shotgun. I also work with, and train several local LEs on firearms. I was arrested 22 times during High Risk Felony stop training last week. The shotgun is usually the last weapon system I will recommend to a skilled shooter for HD, certainly a last resort for the novice.

Most highly skilled multi-platform shooters suggest the AR15 platform by a pretty decent margin where concealment of the weapon is not an issue. With the surge in PCCs, that is a the space many are starting to suggest as well. After that, it becomes one of evaluating strength, proficiency, environment. I have had folks from 6 to 86 on the AR15 platform do extremely well with it, better than any other platform. Only downside is noise levels inside the house.
 
MarkCO said:
I don't wonder at all. It is very few. I have taught shotgun to Marines from Quantico, the guys who train the Marines who guard the embassies with M4s. I placed 14th and made the shoot-off at the IPSC Shotgun Championship and compete regularly with a shotgun. I also work with, and train several local LEs on firearms. I was arrested 22 times during High Risk Felony stop training last week. The shotgun is usually the last weapon system I will recommend to a skilled shooter for HD, certainly a last resort for the novice.

Most highly skilled multi-platform shooters suggest the AR15 platform by a pretty decent margin where concealment of the weapon is not an issue. With the surge in PCCs, that is a the space many are starting to suggest as well. After that, it becomes one of evaluating strength, proficiency, environment. I have had folks from 6 to 86 on the AR15 platform do extremely well with it, better than any other platform. Only downside is noise levels inside the house.
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Noise is the big issue with the AR inside a home, but I think that's where the 9mm or other pistol caliber AR's are going to become very popular, very quick, especially when you can have a pistol brace on an AR pistol with a 7 inch barrel.

A 7 inch 9mm AR is super fast to swing around and get onto a second target, much faster than a 16 inch Hi Point, Sub 2000, Ruger PC9, Cx4, etc. Those manufacturers need to get on the ball and start offering factory braced pistol version of their carbines or their gonna lose money.

As for the shotgun, if one connects with the target and doesn't dork up the pumping, it's still the most effective short range gun available. The problem is that shotguns can be unwieldy for small/old/weak people, high recoil, low capacity, more susceptible to improper operation causing malfunctions... unless you are an expert a lot can go wrong with a pump action shotgun and semi-auto shotguns can be unreliable.

I would say if a semi auto is reliable, one is better off with that, but even then, the other issues that plague shotguns as home defense guns for unskilled people still remain.

I only have one shotgun, it's an over/under, I get two shots with it before I have to go to something else and personally, I'd rather buy rifles or handguns that hold more rounds and are things I can test handloads with at the range for entertainment.

Shotguns are both niche and cliche guns for home defense. I think too much of the mentality surrounding shotguns comes from movies where people getting shot with a shotgun magically fly backwards because it's so powerful...
 
I'm surprised to hear this is happening in NC. Must she have a permit to own a pistol?
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A permit is needed to purchase a handgun.
(I was curious about that also- so I googled it)

https://durhamso.permitium.com/

" It is within the Sheriff's discretion to deny or approve pistol purchase permits."

Sounds like a hold over from the old days (Jim Crow law)...
 
TruthTellers said:
Shotguns are both niche and cliche guns for home defense. I think too much of the mentality surrounding shotguns comes from movies where people getting shot with a shotgun magically fly backwards because it's so powerful...
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Probably but round for round, it is hard to beat the power of a shot of 12 Gauge 00 Buckshot :)
 
Why not a M1 carbine???

Butt-stock ouch hold two fifteen count magazines, easy to manipulate.

Soft-nose / HP ammo, is more common. easy recoil.
 
$1000 carbines, pistol-grip shotguns, quasi-legal stocks on pistols- do you guys think before you write?
An ill 67 year old woman is probably not going to be able to use or buy any of those.
 
I think it is a good point to know why she was refused a handgun permit.

If the OP doesn't want to share (and I can understand that), let's stop throwing out all kinds of guns that probably haven't been tested for their ergonomics with older women.
 
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