Pump action - Which one you prefer?
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Remington 870
The others may be nice shotguns indeed; however, the Remington is the standard by which all others are judged. There are more aftermarket accessories available for the Remington than any others by far. Also the 870 has been the overwhelming choice for law enforcement in this country for decades. The 870 has remained the police shotgun standard through the topsy turvy pistol years of the .38 the .357 the wonder 9 the .40 etc. The Mossberg and the Winchester are both cheaper, but the 870 is chosen. The 870 is the only pump I would consider. Now, if we were chosing semi-autos I would have to give serious consideration to the Benelli over the Remington 11-87.
NOTE: With all due respect to Azrael256...the Mossberg wood, metal, and fit and finish of both is nowhere near up to the standard of Remington or Winchester.
The others may be nice shotguns indeed; however, the Remington is the standard by which all others are judged. There are more aftermarket accessories available for the Remington than any others by far. Also the 870 has been the overwhelming choice for law enforcement in this country for decades. The 870 has remained the police shotgun standard through the topsy turvy pistol years of the .38 the .357 the wonder 9 the .40 etc. The Mossberg and the Winchester are both cheaper, but the 870 is chosen. The 870 is the only pump I would consider. Now, if we were chosing semi-autos I would have to give serious consideration to the Benelli over the Remington 11-87.
NOTE: With all due respect to Azrael256...the Mossberg wood, metal, and fit and finish of both is nowhere near up to the standard of Remington or Winchester.
I use a Benelli Nova SP. It has a magazine extention and LPA ghost ring sights. The reason why I like it for 3 gun is you can do a select slug drill without losing a round or having to anticipate using the slug. You just hit the magazine cutoff button, rack the slide to take out the empty, and dump a slug right in the chamber. Voila!
Ewok
If you don't want to hear about it...go plug your ears and live in a box.
When companies like Scattergun Technologies (now Wilson Combat) and Robar look to build the ultimate shotgun, do they start with a Winchester or a Mossberg?
No!
They start with the best platform available and pick the 870.
I'm sick of hearing people say they are sick of hearing about something.
Free country...Freedom of speech...still barely freedom to keep and bear arms.
Here endeth the lesson!
Let's see...the 870 has been around for about 50 years and about 6 million have been produced...
If you don't want to hear about it...go plug your ears and live in a box.
When companies like Scattergun Technologies (now Wilson Combat) and Robar look to build the ultimate shotgun, do they start with a Winchester or a Mossberg?
No!
They start with the best platform available and pick the 870.
I'm sick of hearing people say they are sick of hearing about something.
Free country...Freedom of speech...still barely freedom to keep and bear arms.
Here endeth the lesson!
I'm still a Mossberg fan
For work I have carried in my cruiser and on raids both the 870 and the Ithaca 37 (which as long as we are talking shotguns is a fine specimen as well). Personally I own neither. I own a Mossberg 590 and the 9200 Jungle gun. They are some of the best weapons I've got. I have a Winchester 1300 but comparatively they are pieces of crap. The Mossbergs are built for hard use. The 590 was the shotgun of choice for the USMC for like 9 years. That is saying something. These guns take a beating a keep on going. Plain and simple.
As far as the Remmington 870 being the "choice" of L.E. I would only say that the larger agencies that I have worked for do not expect officers to use the shotgun, which is why the 870, which can be had for about $250, and the Ithaca, also in the same price region are pruchased. They do the job...sitting in a cruiser gathering dust. Personally I am a shotgun man. I always took a gauge with me on any call involving violence or suspects with weapons, but these guns are old and rickety and all they have done is go from the kit room to the car and back for 15 years. That's sad! They get fired about 2x a year and look like crap, go figure.
I realize that everyone has a preference and that is just fine. But don't base your decision on what PD's buy, or the Marines for that matter. Go with what works best for you. At least that way you'll never be disappointed.
For work I have carried in my cruiser and on raids both the 870 and the Ithaca 37 (which as long as we are talking shotguns is a fine specimen as well). Personally I own neither. I own a Mossberg 590 and the 9200 Jungle gun. They are some of the best weapons I've got. I have a Winchester 1300 but comparatively they are pieces of crap. The Mossbergs are built for hard use. The 590 was the shotgun of choice for the USMC for like 9 years. That is saying something. These guns take a beating a keep on going. Plain and simple.
As far as the Remmington 870 being the "choice" of L.E. I would only say that the larger agencies that I have worked for do not expect officers to use the shotgun, which is why the 870, which can be had for about $250, and the Ithaca, also in the same price region are pruchased. They do the job...sitting in a cruiser gathering dust. Personally I am a shotgun man. I always took a gauge with me on any call involving violence or suspects with weapons, but these guns are old and rickety and all they have done is go from the kit room to the car and back for 15 years. That's sad! They get fired about 2x a year and look like crap, go figure.
I realize that everyone has a preference and that is just fine. But don't base your decision on what PD's buy, or the Marines for that matter. Go with what works best for you. At least that way you'll never be disappointed.
OK OK... I know your discussing which Shotfun you would use for 3 gun comps... AND one of the guns used during those comps is a Rifle but I reeeeeeeeaaaaaalllllllly fell this would be better in a little known Forum called "Shotgun".
Don't ya think.
ATTENTION... everyone fasten their seat belts, we're moving.
HEY - You in the back... SEAT BELT....
And Away we go.......
Don't ya think.
ATTENTION... everyone fasten their seat belts, we're moving.
HEY - You in the back... SEAT BELT....
And Away we go.......
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winchester model 1300 defender
I choose the Winchester Model 1300 Defender hands down, especially their Marine Coastal Stainless Steel model, it is just plain
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StevieB.
I choose the Winchester Model 1300 Defender hands down, especially their Marine Coastal Stainless Steel model, it is just plain
.StevieB.
Ithaca M37...mine's a Model 87, from the now defunct Ithaca Acquisition, which had replaced the then defunct Ithaca Arms in 1987. It's back to Model 37 now that Ithaca Arms has been resurrected. But it be the same shotgun, and she be a sweet lil' darling...
I love the plain receiver design with no ejection port, a perfect ambi SG...my model is an M&P, so it comes factory with the extended mag tube...
I love the plain receiver design with no ejection port, a perfect ambi SG...my model is an M&P, so it comes factory with the extended mag tube...
870, by force of habit. 40 some years and maybe 50K rounds of glitchfree performance is a habit former.
The Mossie and Winchester are good shotguns. The 870's a great one. The Ithaca is a great one also, but not my choice for "Serious" work.
Actually all of the above will work fine. The 870 will just do it longer.
The Mossie and Winchester are good shotguns. The 870's a great one. The Ithaca is a great one also, but not my choice for "Serious" work.
Actually all of the above will work fine. The 870 will just do it longer.
Dave McC, I know we've touched on this about a year ago...but why would you not consider an Ithaca for "serious" work? Personally I find the radius of the pistol grip area of the factory stock is too large and my trigger finger is thus held back a tad too far from the trigger - nothing that a properly fitted stock couldn't cure. So handling is a problem for me, that's why the 870 is under the boxspring.
Is there an objective drawback to the M37 that would make it less than ideal in your view for said "serious" activities? I mean like reliability, etc...
Nevertheless, as an engineered piece the Ithaca pump is a stellar design, and - ahem, dare I - superior to the 870...just wish that stock had been configured a little tighter
Is there an objective drawback to the M37 that would make it less than ideal in your view for said "serious" activities? I mean like reliability, etc...
Nevertheless, as an engineered piece the Ithaca pump is a stellar design, and - ahem, dare I - superior to the 870...just wish that stock had been configured a little tighter
Rom, it's a couple little things. Mag capacity, the lack of a loading port that one can use for a fast reload or ammo switch, and on older ones the lack of an interrupter, the slam fire feature that some regard as a plus.
Also, for armory storage and the range, the lack of an easy indicator to show the weapon's empty is naother small but important point.
Don't get me wrong, the 37 is a fine design and a case could be made for it's being the BEST upland pump ever made.
RE the stock, I can reach the tigger fine, but there's not enough curve to the PG for my two smaller fingers to get the grip I'd like them to.
This only applies to me, of course.
Also, for armory storage and the range, the lack of an easy indicator to show the weapon's empty is naother small but important point.
Don't get me wrong, the 37 is a fine design and a case could be made for it's being the BEST upland pump ever made.
RE the stock, I can reach the tigger fine, but there's not enough curve to the PG for my two smaller fingers to get the grip I'd like them to.
This only applies to me, of course.
Thanks for the input guys! Sorry for posting under the wrong topic.
It will be a really hard choice because I can buy any of these for a relatively low price. I am still thinking on a M1 Practical (which is pretty expensive), but the pumpguns are more fun to shoot on the matches.
On the other hand the M1/M3 is an all-in-one shotgun...
I am leaning toward the Winchester (very-very fast action), but every LEO friend of mine recommends the 870...
It will be a really hard choice because I can buy any of these for a relatively low price. I am still thinking on a M1 Practical (which is pretty expensive), but the pumpguns are more fun to shoot on the matches.
On the other hand the M1/M3 is an all-in-one shotgun... I am leaning toward the Winchester (very-very fast action), but every LEO friend of mine recommends the 870...