Protesters

Joab, you spoke for "the majority". I'm pointing out to you that you couldn't possibly know what 51% or more of those protesting are all about. What is unclear about that?

So the people protesting the war by labeling the president as a Nazi and the soldiers as dupes is a freedom of speech thing but my protesting the protesters actions by labeling some of them as pathetic losers and cowards is insulting.
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Guess what? You are just doing the same thing some of them are - being insulting while using your freedom of speech.

Or are you know trying to assert that 51% or more (that's what a majority is, BTW) of all war protesters called the President a Nazi and/or the soldier dupes?

Or is it you're just using the actions of the minority to defend your prejudices for the majority?
 
Ill take the ding on WW2 was a bad analogy.

Let me change the question.... what did we find out after being in Vietnam about fighting irregulars and this type of warfare?
 
"Threatening her with violence, saying that she has no right to say what she says" Never said anything like that Butch. But ALOT of people take any contra info as an attack and respond rabidly
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I didn't say you did, others have though.
 
Joab, you spoke for "the majority".
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No I spoke of the majority. I stand by that assessment based on my observation both in person and on TV of the protesters since they started protesting this war. What is unclear about that?

Guess what? You are just doing the same thing some of them are - being insulting while using your freedom of speech.
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Is there a point there or is this level of free speech reserved only for the anti establishment types

Or are you know trying to assert that 51% or more (that's what a majority is, BTW) of all war protesters called the President a Nazi and/or the soldier dupes?
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Just relaying personal observations. Yes I know what a majority is. Or was that just an insult :rolleyes:

Or is it you're just using the actions of the minority to defend your prejudices for the majority?
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refer to the previous line for your answer
 
OK heres the thing Handy
I could not possibly care less what effect my labeling the majority of the protesters that I have seen as losers and cowards has on their feelings.
I care less about this than they do about how there actions effect my feelings.
If one of these clowns takes exception to my calling them a pathetic loser, that's their problem not mine.

On the other hand
The intelligent people,that I spoke of , who truly believe in what they are saying and doing probably don't care what I think of their actions.
And can most likely defend their actions themselves, if they were of a mind to.

There you go.
No words to twist. No "So are you saying..." openings.
Just a plain and simple I don't give half a damn about the feelings of anybody that feels I included them in the loser label.
Cause if they feel that way they are probably one of the people I was speaking of.
They have every right to feel insulted just as I have every right not to care
 
I'm not sure if what I said was being taken out of context by Blackmind, but what I was saying is that I think it IS good to see people with "Bush=Hitler" signs...not necessarily because I believe Bush is a circa 1940's dictator, but because it is a 100% sign that America isn't *yet* a fascist regime if people are allowed to still be on street corners with signs saying as much.

Oops, re-read it and I see it's not out of context. A soft, cozy dictatorship where they are probably living out an upper/middle class suburban lifestyle of luxury..lol.
 
The left over German army did fight us for nearly 6 years after the war was over, they were called "Werewolves" and were a major problem for the US and others in Germany after the war.

Vietnam was a situation where the N never won a major military victory and we still tucked tale at the behest of Kennedy and Kerry who wrote the legislation to stop our aid after we left. Tet offensive was the final straw for the citizens even though the N sent six divisions, the last major part of its army south and got back less than one after the shooting stopped. This was portrayed by the media as the final defeat and we bought it. How do we know? Because the N Viet generals writing about it now COUNTED on a war of attrition to win with the help of the media and it worked for them. The same is now happening in Iraq. The "irregulars" are not even Iraq's they are from outside the country from regional governments that know it’s their last chance to stop a democracy from taking place. If it does the 3rd century dictatorships they hold by force of arms and religious zealotry will fall apart. Fight them there or fight them here. If we loose in Iraq the next loud noise you here will be LA, NY or some other or all cities going by by.
How we got there is kind of only important to those on internet forums....Oh like me. :D

Humm not sure I'm on topic.... :confused:
 
Fight them there or fight them here. If we loose in Iraq the next loud noise you here will be LA, NY or some other or all cities going by by.
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Please explain why it is that fighting them over there, will prevent them from coming here? Eventually they are coming here, because they are the kind of enemy that can not be defeated in a "conventional" sense. They are like a virus as opposed to a conventional army.

Are we delaying them from coming here? Maybe. Maybe we are delaying them, but at what cost to us?

Are we doing anything realistic to prevent them from coming here? My take on it is NO - if One Million illegal aliens are strolling across our Southern border every year, what's keeping the terrorists out?
 
In my opinion parties that believe in fundamentally and drastically altering the American ideal, and way of life and seek to alter or eradicate the BOR and Constitution, should be illegal. One of these groups is Code Pink.

Not that it matters because as another poster said somewhere, both Republican and Democratic parties are separate roads to the same future, totalitarian or near totalitarian socialism. Is it really suprising? Britain changed from a monarchy with absolutely no political parties to a socialist hellhole in a few hundred years.
 
“Iraq,” read the sign held aloft by two prosperous looking white women,“is Arabic for Vietnam.”


Cindy's supporters speak. I'm done. ;)
 
Mike, Sulaco2 beat me to it mentioning the German resistance. We suffered more than 10,000 casualties after WWII pacifying them and mopping up Japanese resistance in the islands. We still have bases in Japan and are occupying Okinawa 60 years later.

Sedition

Treason
 
Yes, but that was more a case of the remnants of a defeated army, was it not? In Iraq it is a new and constantly re-supplied enemy now.
 
"Let me change the question.... what did we find out after being in Vietnam about fighting irregulars and this type of warfare?"

We learned that conventional thinking isn't the way to win this type of conflict.

We could have saved ourselves that learning curve by adopting the lessons of the British, who SUCCESSFULLY fought, and won, several irregular insurgencies -- Kenya and Malaysia being the biggest.


"Mike, Sulaco2 beat me to it mentioning the German resistance."

Not entirely applicable, but yes, it did occur.

It's not entirely applicable because it was carried out by a relatively small cadre of hard-core Nazis, its support started out small and continually diminished over time, and it never spread into the general civilian population as the Iraqi insurgency has done.


Ultimately, though, the biggest lesson that should have been learned from these situations is one that the liberals and naysayers need to revivew -- that to crush such an insurgency normally requires exceptionally harsh measures.

Unfortunately, with the likes of the whiners we have in opposition power today, that type of force won't be brought to bear for fear of violating the rights of the insurgents.




"We still have bases in Japan and are occupying Okinawa 60 years later."

No, that's not correct. We have bases in Okinawa, but Okinawa reverted to Japanese governance on May 15, 1972.
 
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