Pros and Cons of Tokarev in 7.62x25
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There is justice...Please note I am for spending 400USD whereas most of your recommendations (Daewoo DP51 and Taurus 9mms) are well above that figure (about 1100USD here).
1. Taurus 0.357/0.38 Sp (USD1250)
2. Taurus 0.38(650 USD)
3. Erma 0.32(330USD)
4. Arminius 0.32(250USD)
1 & 2 are expensive, and 3 & 4 are IMO no good for self defense. and since shops had lesser variety for revolvers i quit revolver search and went on semi-autos.
I love revolvers...and if price was no concern i would straightaway grab a Taurus 0.357 Mag and walk with a tank.i have searched the market here for revolvers and found:
1. Taurus 0.357/0.38 Sp (USD1250)
2. Taurus 0.38(650 USD)
3. Erma 0.32(330USD)
4. Arminius 0.32(250USD)
1 & 2 are expensive, and 3 & 4 are IMO no good for self defense. and since shops had lesser variety for revolvers i quit revolver search and went on semi-autos.
I have sent an inquiry for its pricing in Pakistan, waiting for reply. how does it compare with a Tokarev, does Norinco makes its copy? or i ve to look for original Russian?
I am living in a city of Pakistan (Karachi) where Jihadi phenomenon has no existence nor will it ever possibly have
A Makarov is in the Soviet caliber of 9x18, just slightly better ballistically, AFAIK, than .380 ACP. It is NOT 9mm.
The Makarov is, however, an extremely robust little gun and easy to conceal. Most likely models you'll find are surplus Russian, East German, and Bulgarian. There is also a new civilian version with adjustable sights made in Russia called the IJ-70, and it may be chambered in .380 ACP instead.
Another possible import you might get there is the Czech CZ-82, which is the same caliber (9x18), but holds 12 rounds and is extremely accurate, with a polygonal barrel. You do not want a Hungarian FEG PA-63, which may be sold as a Makarov, but is not. It's too light, and very snappish in recoil. Polish P-64's are acceptable, though. All are that same caliber.
The problem with Makarovs is the ammo, which in many areas of the world ranges from acceptable to wildly varying powder charges (China) and highly corrosive primers (some com-bloc countries). Corrosive primers leave salts in the barrel that attract moisture, causing it to quickly rust if it's not flushed, then re-oiled after use.
If you can get Sellier & Bellot ammo from the Czech Republic there, that's good stuff. Silver Bear from Russia is...okay, but you'd want to see if the gun likes it and tolerates extraction of the steel cases. Old green-box Norinco has corrosive primers.
The Makarov is, however, an extremely robust little gun and easy to conceal. Most likely models you'll find are surplus Russian, East German, and Bulgarian. There is also a new civilian version with adjustable sights made in Russia called the IJ-70, and it may be chambered in .380 ACP instead.
Another possible import you might get there is the Czech CZ-82, which is the same caliber (9x18), but holds 12 rounds and is extremely accurate, with a polygonal barrel. You do not want a Hungarian FEG PA-63, which may be sold as a Makarov, but is not. It's too light, and very snappish in recoil. Polish P-64's are acceptable, though. All are that same caliber.
The problem with Makarovs is the ammo, which in many areas of the world ranges from acceptable to wildly varying powder charges (China) and highly corrosive primers (some com-bloc countries). Corrosive primers leave salts in the barrel that attract moisture, causing it to quickly rust if it's not flushed, then re-oiled after use.
If you can get Sellier & Bellot ammo from the Czech Republic there, that's good stuff. Silver Bear from Russia is...okay, but you'd want to see if the gun likes it and tolerates extraction of the steel cases. Old green-box Norinco has corrosive primers.
This website has more info/pics of various Norinco models...
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-hg.shtm
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-hg.shtm
My brother-in-law's Tokarev is slim - perfect for carry. The front sight is too thin and the rear aperture too small (it could easily be widened). While the trigger is too thin and sharp, it has a smooth, light pull. Accuracy has been excellent, especially after you get used to the sights. The gun's completely reliable, and the ammo feels much more powerful than any 9mm.
At $159 in the US, it's a great bargain.
At $159 in the US, it's a great bargain.
I really can't comment on the gun itself but I can comment on the round (7.62x25).
That round is well known as a penetrator and as such may not be the best self defense round as it'd most likely punch a .30 cal (7.62mm) hole all the way through and keep going, and going, and going. Not a lot of energy dump into your target, but maybe just the thing if you have to shoot through a wall, or a car, or a lightly armored vehicle
Wolf ammo does make a hollowpoint for it and supposedly THAT round has shown some excellent self defense propertieis (penetration, expansion, and energy dump).
That round is well known as a penetrator and as such may not be the best self defense round as it'd most likely punch a .30 cal (7.62mm) hole all the way through and keep going, and going, and going. Not a lot of energy dump into your target, but maybe just the thing if you have to shoot through a wall, or a car, or a lightly armored vehicle
Wolf ammo does make a hollowpoint for it and supposedly THAT round has shown some excellent self defense propertieis (penetration, expansion, and energy dump).
bluetopper
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You'd think in the markets of Islamabad you could find pistols a lot cheaper than that.