Property and Revenge II - Dennis is back

Okay, Gopher, if I understand right, what you are saying is: What if you confront a would-be car-thief with a weapon, and said critter refuses to go the hell away with a barrel of a pistol or a shotgun pointed at his head?

Think about it. If you go running out of your house, rack, cock or whatever your weapon, point it at the critter, scream for him to GET AWAY!, and he doesn't load his shorts and disappear--then you need to get back into you house, barricade the doors and wait for the cops.

Because that is one dangerous SOB. And it damn sure isn't someone that I want to go hand-to-hand with.

Someone who doesn't care that a twelve gauge is pointed at his head is someone who has serious problems in the self-preservation department. He's the kind of person who takes a twelve-gauge blast to the torso and goes on to kill several FBI agents.

He's the kind of person who takes multiple hits in the torso from 9mm's, .45's and 10mm's and still cuts up three-quarters of a Sheriff's Department.

Right now, that critter wants your car and hasn't offered any Deadly Force. If you get his attention by opening fire, he may decide that various portions of your anatomy are just what he needed to hang from the rear-view mirror.

LawDog

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I was hesitant to open this thread as I feared I would be flamed and denounced!!

What a nice rational discussion. Thanks.

Interesting case on www.apbnews.com

A Congressman was subject to an attempted hi-jacking by an 8 year old pointing his
finger at him through a pocket like a gun.

The congressman picked up him and took him into the school.

I guess one could have dealt with him more severely :). Would it have been legal?

We should have a South TX get together sometime after we calm down from income tax day!!

Bye

Glenn
 
Law Dog,

Good point! I guess that anyone who goes about their business with a 12-gauge pointed at them is either stoned/drunk outta their gourd or a complete wacko, in which case I don't want to mess with either. I'd certainly wait for the cops, but I'd warn them beforehand that a shotgun didn't make much of an impression on him, though!

I'd much prefer that they hang some fuzzy dice or a tree-shaped air freshener from the rearview rather than something I may be, er, more attached to. Youch!

Glenn, I'd second the idea of a S. Texas get-together. Who's bringing the Shiner? Anyone who gets a refund? Or simply the smallest bite in the wallet?
 
Gopher:

No fair! I've already spent my refund on guns, etc. :eek:

I might shake loose some ammo money for a "round" of Shiner. :D

SA Scott
 
Here in TX, if its after dark and he sais to heck with you I'm taking your car, you can blast him into eternity. If you believe that the perp will get away with stuff belonging to you that may not be recovered you can use deadly force. The civil suits will of course pile on.

NOTE: I am not advocating this line of attack (no pun intended)

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
My goodness! Are we actually going to have a Texas TFL get-together? I'll bring some cold Shiner. This is a big state though. Should we have a N. Texas, S. Texas, and E. Texas meet? Sorry, folks in El Paso, I'm too lazy to drive through all that desert just to get to Fort Stockton for a W. Texas meet. :D
 
Yes, having the thief calmly go about the business of stealing your car while you hold the gun on him is something that hadn't quite occurred to me. I guess I thought his only options were attack, stop and follow commands, or flee.

Several people brought up the idea that he could flee, leaving your stuff, and you couldn't legally shoot him. Well, at that point, who cares? Why would I want to shoot him at that point? He's fleeing! Yay me! I won. I have my property, I'm unhurt, and he's gone. To be honest, although I have slight pangs about "wishing him on someone else" I think that would be my preferred outcome over shooting the guy even in self-defense.

Now, if he's such a cool, fearless bastard that he'll just look at me and go on about his business, with my shotgun pointed at his head, because he has that much faith that I know the law that well and absolutely will not break it--forget it. He deserves the car. :D
 
(in a sing-song voice)
I have a curtilage! I have a curtilage!

Dang! I'm proud! I thought I only had a yard! Full of "cedar" at that!

(translation fer furriners: "cedar": inaccurate Texas name for juniper trees. Also known as fuzzy-barked SOBs!)
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Don,
Right!
Dennis
(Jeez, I hope that doesn't reveal how lost I am at this point! :confused: )
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South Texas get-together? Shiner?
Man! I hope I'm not teaching that week-end!!

(Par-T-time! Par-T-time! :D :D)

It seems most of us have the same practial outlook on car theft - an outlook that may (or may not) conflict with our emotional philosophies.

That's cool. I can live with that. So might the jackals.... ;)

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Though this thread seemed to have it's share of disagreement, I have thoroughly enjoyed every post of it! To all that have participated - THANK YOU! (Even Glenn! Who I could not disagree with more :))

Chris Canis

Knuckle dragger, chest pounder and all around macho manly man :) :)
 
In the spirit of Macho Men and friendship on TFL - I will share two anecdotes.

My daughter was in high school and one of the men's team was going to sing the Village People song Macho Man at some shindig.
She asked the mighty young athletes that given their reputation for testosterone - why are guys singing a gay song? They look at each other in puzzlement? Ah, the naivety of
local youth.

Next - we were driving to the San Antonio airport and caught in a terrible traffic jam,
we stopped by the construction and right next to our car was a motorcycle cop and a construction worker. We leaned out the window and did the YMCA signs and yelled Where's the Indian Chief? They were puzzled too!

:) :)

You should met the fierce young women at my school interested in the RKBA. We are doing a research project and spent the morning talking about their fathers' gun collections.
 
Say Dennis,

Why is it the junipers are the only things that the dang deer WON'T eat? :D

I thought a curtilage was something frilly you put on furniture. Sounds downright girly. I'll never live it down if the guys find out I got a curtilage at my place.

<joins in pounding chest and scratching self>

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Gopher,

I dunno. Our countryside is overrun with deer and "lush" with cedar. The deer just don't taste that good (but will feed a family in a pinch). The cedar cover ground that grass otherwise could grow on. (Remember, grass is cattle food!)

A while ago, some government muckety muck said we can't cut down cedar because some twinky bird uses the bark for its nest.

Down at Startz Cafe some of the ole timers had a conniption fit! Ranchers hate, loathe, despise, cut down, burn and otherwise destroy cedar.

When these ole boys heard they couldn't cut cedar, comments were short, quiet, and determinedly ominous.

- Fair is fair. I'll tell them cedar to leave. But if they don't, I'll burn 'em.

- Let 'em come and stop me from clearin' cedar. I'll bury them with the stray dogs.

Ya know, I don't think I want to mess with some of these squinty-eyed old-timers!
(And that, my friends, IS gun-related! ;)

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
I don't think I'd try to steal jeffelkins' or Dennis' car!

Take the car, just leave my broken 8-track tape alone!



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