Proof that hollowpoints can hit bone and exit the body.

Tom2 said:
Bystanders are not an issue in the hood.
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All I want to know is why a bystander isn't an issue just because of demographics. Are you saying that's their (whomever their is) thought process is they don't care for others around them? Or are you making a statement of your own opinion?

#18indycolts said:
I posted this only to give people something to think about. Shooting someone is a huge liability and people need to be aware of the surroundings.
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Well, OK. Thanks for your post of concern and reminder. But I have Rule #4 ingrained in my head and others should as well before even handling a firearm, IMO. Kinda like telling an adult to be sure to look both ways before crossing the street. I'm sure it stinks to have to deal with gunshots on a routing basis, though...
 
#18indycolts:

Good post. I'm wondering if your average 'customer' is on the large side? My experience has been big guys are what have attacked me...
 
I think about the problem all the time. Bullets don't usually stop at the intended target. This is one area where the 'antis' have a point.
 
This is one area where the 'antis' have a point.
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yes maybe...but thats why we need to make sure that we're responsible in our actions, right? It almost goes back to that old saying "think before you speak." :)
 
For a very long time,Full Metal Jacketed bullets were the 'humane' bullet to use then the police started shooting through all kinds of people with their 9mm handguns and that has all changed.

The bottom line here is the best ammo to do the job by staying in the bad guy under a variety of shooting conditions.

For that,the Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet driven at enough velocity to at least give it some chance to expend in the bad guy is now the prefered bullet.

But bullets do some of the most bizarre things you could never predict.

Just amazing deflections,explosions without fatal injuries and other very wild things.

But if you have to shoot someone,what the police are using gives you a step up in court as far as not trying to blaze new ground on the bullet front.

As far as I know,the JHP is what the police are all using now,be it,357-38-9mm-40S&W-or 45 ACP.

The number one round for staying in a bad guy is a Glaser safety round but they have failed in large men to reach vital organs and they can be a big liability in a court room.

But,the Glaser safety round is supposed to not shoot intact through wall,glass or drywall.

And when it is used against a bad guy at close range,it is an incredibly vicious round.

Likened to a shotguns damage potential.

Anyway,at close range,it does'nt surprise me that a JHP shot right through someones bone.
 
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Just a note. I'v taken 5 whitetale with a .480 Ruger using Hornady 325 gr HP/XTP Mag factoy loads. First one, bullit entered the rear of the skull and exited below the teeth out the front of the jaw on the left side... no expansion. The second deer was a hart shot... hit a rib on the way in and another on the way out. It never expanded, nor did the other the other boiler room shots on the rest. None of these deer were wearing clothes. So dont plan on a carbon based target to be a bullit trap.
 
I guess. It's just that the times I've been jumped, the reason they did it was no one else was around, and, they had isolated me from any help. Once was on a deserted road, and, the other in a bathroom, late at night, in a bowling alley.

I've only been in one other situation, and, I walked out of that one. If I would have had a gun, it would have been highly unlikely that someone would have been behind the guy, and, I would have been able to do something about it.

The one other event I can think of was a midnight basketball league, between two gangs. The police didn't show up, and, we had two gangs nearly get into it. In that situation, if they came after me, overpenetration would have been a good thing, because there were no innocent bystanders...
 
How does picking the right magic brand of hollowpoints stop the 20%-60% of rounds that are probably going to miss the target entirely from going downrange? :confused:
 
And Tamara drops the bomb! Right, overpenetration and harming someone downrange isn't nearly the concern that out and out misses of the target and hitting someone downrange are.
 
There is a point where I think over-penetration IS a valid concern. This rifle, shooting a 600 grain Barnes solid round nose at 2150 fps IS a gun that seriously brings up the issue:

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So, we are talking about a 9mm hydrashok bullet of unknown weight. The shooter shot downward and hit the victim in the leg about 5" above the knee (anterior aspect?). The bullet entered there and penetrated an inch or so struck the femur and glanced off at an angle (about 45 degrees) and exited the thigh (medially or laterally?). The bullet continued on to strike a wooden post, lodging therein.

Sounds like the bullet only traversed through about 3" to 5" of tissue, so it makes sense to me that it had plenty of energy left to lodge in the wooden post.
 
I don't know everything but I know a bit...

Most jhps are designed to penetrate 6" or so, give or take an inch or so, before expansion begins. Penetration and expansion continue for 12-14" depending on velocity, bullet weight, etc. This is in a stable block of 10% ballistic gelatin which is the standard testing medium used because it best approximates the density of human tissue and organs. Some are designed specifically to penetrate hard barriers before hitting a body and expansion with these is slower. This is what they are designed to do. 12-14" of penetration is the industry standard these days and about every jhp made (with a few exceptions) are designed to penetrate to this depth which means that expansion cannot begin too soon or it will prevent this depth of penetration.

That is if they don't miss.

If they do miss if hp is less likely to travel through multiple barriers and hit an unintended target.

So give some thought to how thick you are through the chest, or shoulder, or thigh (pick the piece of you choosing, breast or thigh). Figure a round would pass through that area unless it hit bone. In which case it's likely to veer off somewheres possibly out of the body.

JHs aren't designed to hit , penetrate and expand in the torso of a person standing facing you. Most folks aren't that thick front to back through the chest. They are designed for traverse shots through the body. For example a hit to the groin that exits just below the shoulder blade, etc.

Stuff gunnies oughta know.

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Vary interesting post, but at the time when the "SHTF" I don't think anyone is going to be worrying about over penetration. All I can hope for is to keep a cool head, instinctively hit my mark and pray that no one else gets hurt. As far as projecting what a bullet is going to do, time after time, it's going to do what it's going to do, once it leaves your gun, it's out of your control. :rolleyes:
 
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