Progressive press shopping

I do not know!

Master Blaster, why do so many here speak in generalities, try to change the topic and then get offended when confronted? Or why does everyone here seem to think the only way to reload ammunition is by using a Blue Dillon press?
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One more time, I have a 'BIG BROWN' that was sold by Herter, it is a 6 position turret. When forming it comes in handy, I can install 4 forming dies and 2 FL sizing dies. Very handy, when I want to switch positions I loosen and rotate the turret. If I make a mistake all I have to do is back it up to catch up.

I can not remember when I did not have the Herter turret press. I had it before I purchased my Dillon, I also have green presses. I have one Lee press, I do not use it but I have one just in case. I also have green ones I do not have, they are called Pardner presses by RCBS.

And I do not know why everyone thinks there is something wrong with everyone else. I am not a sider-er.

F. Guffey
 
I do not know.

And I have the 'NEDIUMN BROWN', it is a Herter with two rams. It is a handy press, I can install a forming die on one side and a full length sizing die on the other. But when it comes to strength I have the 'OTHER BROWN', it is not a 'C' or an 'O', it is a 'U' press. It is not the King Kong of Herter presses but it comes close. I had all of these presses before I got 'BLUE' and 'GREEN" presses.

F. Guffey
 
So, how does the OP go back in time to pick up these out of production presses, then get an education in machine shop, to make these presses you speak of?
I'm really interested in the time travel thing!!! I've made mistakes I'd change...
 
That has to be two different reloaders on the Internet, One must be a reloader and the other has to be a talker. I want for nothing, I make no excuses for failures to get this stuff when it was available. A lot of this stuff is still available; again, I can not make as many excuses as most for not being able to find it.

F. Guffey
 
kmw1954 said:
My question to all of you is why does everyone think someone that planning on loading 50 rounds a week really needs to spend $400.00 -$700.00 on a press and tooling that is easily capable of doing 10X that amount.
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I won't speak for everyone, but I did it because I didn't want to spend the time needed to load those 50 rounds per week on my single stage. With the progressive, I now run 300 rounds in fairly short order every month or so. And I didn't buy a Lee progressive because I wasn't overly impressed with my Lee Classic Turret.
 
JeepHammer, in response to your post @ 60.

I actually agree with much of what you state and your logic behind it. Then as GTOne has stated sometimes people own things just because they want it and I do the same thing many times.

Though I find there is a difference between buying something I want over something someone else has told me it's a must have because it works for them and everything else is inferior. I am not you and of course you are not me. I am pretty certain our wants and needs are not the same.

Some folks are limited in their resources be it money, space other obligations and are confined to lessor tools while others have unlimited resources and can have their way.

The Dillon presses are fine tools and if the need were there the 650 would be the way I'd go but I am one who is limited not by cost but by need. That 650 press is more press than I will ever need or want. Yet there are many instances where I've been told I just must have one. And it's not just me because I've seen the same thing told to many new people that really should be starting on a single stage press or a turret press that can be run as a single stage.

I really just amazes me how fixated people in the reloading forums are with Dillon presses.

Lastly I think it would be great fun to have a discussion with you debating the pro's and con's of the Dillon SDB vs. the Lee Pro 1000 as I believe they are very closely matched.
 
BBarn that is a more than fair explanation for yourself. How would you suggest to a newb?

I personally load pretty much the same exact way only using a Pro1000 because it came along at the right time for the right price. If it were a Dillon SBD that came along the same way I'd be just as happy.

Now after buying the Pro1000 I also bought an old Lee 3 hole Turret press that I also picked up for a great price and use it for short runs or for load development.

I feel I just don't load enough to warrant a 650, LNL AP or a LoadMaster. But again that's just me and my silly needs.
 
kmw1954 said:
BBarn that is a more than fair explanation for yourself. How would you suggest to a newb?.
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My suggestion for one just getting started in reloading is to begin with a single stage press. With it I believe the reloader develops a better understanding of the importance of each step, including their minor details and pitfalls.

I also encourage getting a good single stage instead of a cheap one if at all possible. Although I use a progressive for several handgun calibers, I still use the single stage I've had for 30 years, for both rifle and small runs of handgun.

I don't see a single stage as just a beginner tool. For me it's been a lifetime tool that still gets regular use.
 
Thanks to all for the information. I still haven't made a solid decision on what route I will go.

This post is a prime reason why through the years I have posted very little. Doesn't matter what the topic, it always ends up in a pissing match.

Moderaters: Please lock thread
 
It wasn't me.

Some people are like alligators, they are mean because they got all those teeth and no tooth brush.
 
It wasn't me.

Some people are like alligators, they are mean because they got all those teeth and no tooth brush.
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And if the alligator had a brush he would have no place to carry it or anything to carry it in; but if it did I have a few reloading kits that would fit the container. And there are those tigators,

F. Guffey
 
It is the internet.
It is human nature to defend a decision in purchasing merchandise of any kind. A person could have bought the worst press ever, at three times the price of any other and it wouldn't be unusual for them to promote it. More than they want anyone else to buy it, they want to reinforce to themselves that they made a good buy.
It could be cars, power tools, or washer and dryer sets.
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There are hundreds of similar topics on this subject available w/ the Search feature. The answers are the same in every topic.
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And if you want to make friends it has to be that way. I have found it most difficult to get reloaders to push their self away from the key board and even more difficult to get them to turn a press over/upside down to check the linkage.

Reloaders claim they can push the shoulder back; and I say that is impossible. I believe they have so much time invested in telling the old story they will not accept or consider there is 'some' truth in the difficulty of moving the shoulder back. In the beginning they should have questioned the first bumper; he is the one that started that cute little saying "I bump my shoulder back .002" ".

And then there was that time reloaders got all giggly about the digital head space gage. The tool was not a head space gage, it was a dial indicator stand or AKA know as a comparator.

F. Guffey
 
The answer to the “what progressive press” question is a simple answer. You can buy a Dillon 650, get one of the best presses made, and spend an arm and a leg. You can buy a Lee Loadmaster, have a ton of money left to spend on components, but need to be mechanically inclined to keep it going smoothly (which I have managed to do for tens of thousands of rounds). Or you could buy something green, or something else that’s red, and get quality and price in the middle of Dillon and Lee.

It depends on what your budget is, your mechanical ability (my personal feeling is people not mechanically inclined should stick to off the shelf ammo), and your desire to be admired by Internet forums like this one. All presses can make quality ammo, and can produce several hundred rounds an hour.
 
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