Private restaurant posting a no guns permitted sign

Webleymkv said:
My point is that private businesses are held legally responsible to provide reasonable accommodation for certain aspects of their patrons' safety such as fire protection, but not others such as violent crime and that represents a double standard. I fail to understand why a business should be able to be sued for damages if I'm injured or killed in a fire because they failed to provide adequate fire protection, but they're immune to liability should I be killed by a violent criminal when they not only failed to provide adequate security, but refused to allow me to provide for my own.
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Actually, they're by no means immune from liability. Businesses are routinely held liable for failing to provide adequate security to protect patrons from assault or murder. The standards vary from one jurisdiction to another, and it's an area in which the case law is evolving (including the question of how much fault should be apportioned to the business and how much to the assailant). But the basic principle is well established. See this article titled "The Law of Premises Liability," originally from the Defense Research Institute (a bunch of defense attorneys), for a lengthy discussion of the case law.

I wonder how carrying, with or without the implicit permission of the business, would affect the outcome of a lawsuit if one were injured or killed by a criminal on the premises in spite of being armed...
 
I imagine "no guns" signs are intended to attract anti's as much as they're intended to fend anyone off. It's a socially acceptable political sign.

In all honesty I don't think I've ever seen one. If they started popping up I'm not sure what my reaction would be. Some places I'd avoid, some places - the ones with really good food/prices - I'd probably keep going to. Most, what with wrangling kids, I'd probably not notice.
 
Respect their right not to want firearms on their premises. And go somewhere else.
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They have the right to post their property and if I am in the mood to abide by their rules, I will and if I am not, I will move on. It is not really a big deal to me as there are plenty of places that I go that will not allow me to carry.
 
I am not sure what parameters need to be breached in Florida for the "armed trespass" segment of the trespass laws to be brought against a person...

Armed trespass is no laughing matter as it is a felony charge...

So if simple possession of a firearm is all that is needed, it isn't worth trying to support as business that is against the right of a person to defend their self...

Brent
 
In some states, the posting has force of law - do not suggest breaking the local laws.
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^^^This^^^

They have the right to post their property and if I am in the mood to abide by their rules, I will and if I am not, I will move on. It is not really a big deal to me as there are plenty of places that I go that will not allow me to carry.
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I would hope that everyone that choose's to 'move on' from a place of business posting a "no gun" sign to do business with a place not posting a sign, takes the time to stop in the place with the sign to politely inform the owner/manager of your reason for doing business elsewhere.

You may not think this has an impact but it does. Especially in our current economic times when every sale counts. I've seen "no gun" signs in business's come down in our area for this reason alone. But if we do not take the time to inform "said" business owner/manager of the reason we aren't doing business with them, they don't know they've lost our business.
 
In some states, the posting has force of law - do not suggest breaking the local laws.
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Not sure if this was directed at anyone in particular or if it was just a general admonishment, but I would point out that my comments about ignoring the signs were qualified to apply only to jurisdictions where the sign does not carry force of law.
 
No "illegal" guns...

When I see a "no guns or weapons" sign(s) in a private business, I assume it's for illegal or unlawful carry of concealed weapons.
If you have a concealed weapon or a valid carry license, I wouldn't worry about it. If they see or spot your sidearm(or folder knife), just pay your bill & leave.
Most servers, managers & waitresses are far to busy to stop and stare at customers. If you are a "quiet professional" & are a mature adult, you should be okay.
I wouldn't pack heat in a bar or nightclub anyway. If you carry, do not drink either. It may be legal but you'll face a lot of problems over it if you draw a loaded firearm in public.

I agree with the other forum members too, you could just avoid spending $ in a business that does not support CC license holders or the 2A.

Clyde
 
I have actually seen signs prohibiting the unlawful carry of firearms. I am perfectly fine with those signs, as I carry lawfully.
 
When I see a "no guns or weapons" sign(s) in a private business, I assume it's for illegal or unlawful carry of concealed weapons.
If you have a concealed weapon or a valid carry license, I wouldn't worry about it. If they see or spot your sidearm(or folder knife), just pay your bill & leave.
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That's not always true, in Wyoming signs do have the force of law, and the bolded sentence below applies to "no guns" signs the same as to "no trespassing" signs.


6-3-303. Criminal Trespass; Penalties.
(a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass if he enters or remains on or in the land or premises of another person, knowing he is not authorized to do so, or after being notified to depart or to not trespass. For purposes of this section, notice is given by:
(i) Personal communication to the person by the owner or occupant, or his agent, or by a peace officer; or
(ii) Posting of signs reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.
(b) Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), or both.
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/wyoming.pdf
 
OK - if you want to recommend that a sign as legal force or not and you will do XYZ - Don't unless you are responding to a specific law that you have researched for the location in question.

Otherwise, the opinion is worthless.

Don't say that you break a law.
 
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