Pressure tolerances, pump vs. lever
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No its not as simple as that. The 760 in 35 remington is cut for a .460 case head on the bolt face and the .358 winchester has a .473 bolt face. This may cause a problem readjusting the extractor and the ejector.
******It's a straight up rechamber to .358 winchester. No other modifications needed other than using magazines made for a .308. The bolt face will work fine. Reagan Nonneman is the man for rechambers:
http://www.leveractions.com/
or Jesse Ocumpaugh 541-942-1342 . He rebored and rechambered a rifle for me for about $150 and it shoots great. He does 760's on a regular basis.*****
http://www.35caliber.com/2.html
If you actually check around a bit, you will find that there have been legions of 760s originally chambered in .35 Rem that were later simply rechambered to both .358 & .35 Whelen. I doubt the bolt face is any different for that .35R or the .308 or the 30/06 or the .270 the 760 was also chambered in. See, it is simple as that.
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One other thing to consider is that 35 remington rifles come with a 1/16 twist. The 356 and 358 winchester rifles all have a 1/12 twist for the heavier bullets.
The twist rate might well be different, but the .35 Rem, .356 Win and .358 can all shoot the same bullets and the most popular weight for all three is usually 200gr. (it's a gimme that no spire points should be used in a tube magazine .35, while the M 760 is, of course, GTG) Many have tried the 200grFTX (designed for the .35) in both the .356 & .358 and found great accuracy there. 180gr FN, 200gr RN and 220gr FN have all been known to work well in all three of these cartridges. Different? yup, but not all that different.
No its not as simple as that. The 760 in 35 remington is cut for a .460 case head on the bolt face and the .358 winchester has a .473 bolt face. This may cause a problem readjusting the extractor and the ejector.
******It's a straight up rechamber to .358 winchester. No other modifications needed other than using magazines made for a .308. The bolt face will work fine. Reagan Nonneman is the man for rechambers:
http://www.leveractions.com/
or Jesse Ocumpaugh 541-942-1342 . He rebored and rechambered a rifle for me for about $150 and it shoots great. He does 760's on a regular basis.*****
http://www.35caliber.com/2.html
If you actually check around a bit, you will find that there have been legions of 760s originally chambered in .35 Rem that were later simply rechambered to both .358 & .35 Whelen. I doubt the bolt face is any different for that .35R or the .308 or the 30/06 or the .270 the 760 was also chambered in. See, it is simple as that.
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One other thing to consider is that 35 remington rifles come with a 1/16 twist. The 356 and 358 winchester rifles all have a 1/12 twist for the heavier bullets.
The twist rate might well be different, but the .35 Rem, .356 Win and .358 can all shoot the same bullets and the most popular weight for all three is usually 200gr. (it's a gimme that no spire points should be used in a tube magazine .35, while the M 760 is, of course, GTG) Many have tried the 200grFTX (designed for the .35) in both the .356 & .358 and found great accuracy there. 180gr FN, 200gr RN and 220gr FN have all been known to work well in all three of these cartridges. Different? yup, but not all that different.
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For a while, Remington chambered their Model 760/7600 rifle in .35 Whelen. This cartridge should make a satisfactory, if not "ideal", round for longer distances that are sometimes encountered when hunting big game like mule deer and antelope in the western states.
I agree with ratshooter who opined that the Model 760 should handle more pressure safely than the Marlin lever-action rifle.
I agree with ratshooter who opined that the Model 760 should handle more pressure safely than the Marlin lever-action rifle.
Pilothunter you make some good points. And maybe remington does make sloppy bolt faces that will chamber larger rims than the proper rimsize of the chambering its built for.
I had a remington police pump model 760 in 223 and the cut for the cartridge rim on that particular rifle would only work 100% with american made brass. Steel cased ammo would sometimes get wedged in the bolt and had to be pried loose. That was the main reason I sold that gun.
And maybe the OP only wants to shoot 200gr bullets out of a 356 chambered gun. The 1/16 twist should do just fine. Personally if I were to get a 35 caliber rifle it would be the 35 whelen. I would want the better sectional density of the 250gr bullet. Plus the added velocity.
As for needing a longer range gun for "out west" the two elk I have killed in colorado were both close range kills. The first at 42 yards with a 54 caliber BP rifle and the second at about 75 yards with an 8mm mauser. So I am not even sure a long range round is even needed to hunt there. You could always tell when you ran into someone in the woods if they were a local or not. They were nearly always armed with a 30-30. That should tell you something. The only long range animals I have ever seen were out of range for about any rifle.
So I only made suggestions for the OP that he may not have thought of. Me, I would rather just have a nice pump in 35 remington.
This site has a few reloading articles on the 35 the OP might like to read.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/Default.htm
I had a remington police pump model 760 in 223 and the cut for the cartridge rim on that particular rifle would only work 100% with american made brass. Steel cased ammo would sometimes get wedged in the bolt and had to be pried loose. That was the main reason I sold that gun.
And maybe the OP only wants to shoot 200gr bullets out of a 356 chambered gun. The 1/16 twist should do just fine. Personally if I were to get a 35 caliber rifle it would be the 35 whelen. I would want the better sectional density of the 250gr bullet. Plus the added velocity.
As for needing a longer range gun for "out west" the two elk I have killed in colorado were both close range kills. The first at 42 yards with a 54 caliber BP rifle and the second at about 75 yards with an 8mm mauser. So I am not even sure a long range round is even needed to hunt there. You could always tell when you ran into someone in the woods if they were a local or not. They were nearly always armed with a 30-30. That should tell you something. The only long range animals I have ever seen were out of range for about any rifle.
So I only made suggestions for the OP that he may not have thought of. Me, I would rather just have a nice pump in 35 remington.
This site has a few reloading articles on the 35 the OP might like to read.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/Default.htm