Presidential Race 2008

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I heard on Fox news this morning that Rudy Guliani is seriously considering running as the republican in the '08 Presidential race. I think this sucks, he's about as anti-gun as they come, almost as bad as Hillary. Rudy also runs contrary to the views of the republican base, I dont see how they will nominate him. Anyhow, if we end up with Rudy vs Hillary in 2008, thats really gonna suck. I refuse to vote for either one of them. Time to start sending in donations to the NRA!
 
If it's Rudy vs. Hillary we lose either way. I'm hoping Cheney will change his mind and run on the (R) ticket. Cheney & Rice would be a tough pair to beat, and they are more progun than any other two (R)'s who could possibly get nominated.

Now if we could just get America's 80+ million gun owners to wake up and vote against whatever antigun bigots the (D)'s put up to run in 2008...
 
Rudy would be a mistake for the GOP. He will never pull in enough of the left to make up for the signifcant amount of the right who will just stay home.

In addition Rudy was a PROSECUTOR. They are constantly held in check by those annoying Consitutional rules imposed by judges... Him being given the opportunity to pick judges does not fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling as I can see him preferring those who turn a blind eye to some of those Constitutional restrictions...
 
If the Republicans are stupid enough to run Guliani or McCain - they deserve to lose. I wouldn't consider voting for either one of them, and I don't care who they're running against. One of the 3rd parties would get my vote (again).
 
I dunno...I used to listen to Hannity a lot, but not anymore. He's always talking about how we need the Patriot Act, and seems to think there's no possible way for a Republican politician to ever be corrupt. :rolleyes:
 
Hannity is big on calling liberals Kool Aid Drinkers but he seems to have drank some himself. As long as the phrase "To Fight Terrorism" is included in any pitch by the White House then Hannity will fall in step.

He stands against the admin on Immigration, Spending and Helathcare but has no problem giving away rights to them if it is "For Security."
 
A while ago, I argued that it makes perfect sense to vote for a party of your liking regardless of whether or not it has a fighting chance (see http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204625 ) Yes, it includes Libertarian, or Green, or simply a party of one by a nutcase is that's how the nutcase feels. I did want to see that logic challenged, but there were exactly 0 replies as far as the subject matter goes.

The best analogy to what's going on, imho, was given by Douglas Adams:

"The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford, "it is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them. They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards."
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in."
 
Ill take McCain/Guiliani over any democrat or Libertarian on earth, save Zell Miller. I have this odd affliction of being able to see past a single issue. Ill take the lesser of two evils anyday, espeically if one is at least 75% of what I want.

I voted for Mccain the first time, and Ill do it again.
 
Guilliani..Prince of New Yawk City Thats a sad choice for President. He will make America a safer place for us just like the Brady Bunch wants and removing undesirables from America's streets.
 
Folks voting for a turd party is what got us Bubba. Maybe squishy McCain would consider running as an independent to try to sink Billary's chances. I think enough lefties might vote for old Johnny that it might keep the bitch from sullying the White House again.
 
A while ago, I argued that it makes perfect sense to vote for a party of your liking regardless of whether or not it has a fighting chance (see http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=204625 ) Yes, it includes Libertarian, or Green, or simply a party of one by a nutcase is that's how the nutcase feels. I did want to see that logic challenged, but there were exactly 0 replies as far as the subject matter goes.

The best analogy to what's going on, imho, was given by Douglas Adams:

"The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford, "it is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them. They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards."
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in."
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Stop it. You're making entirely too much sense here.

Ill take McCain/Guiliani over any democrat or Libertarian on earth, save Zell Miller. I have this odd affliction of being able to see past a single issue. Ill take the lesser of two evils anyday, espeically if one is at least 75% of what I want.

I voted for Mccain the first time, and Ill do it again.
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Well, there's gold, straw, and dung. Take your pi--ah, I see you prefer straw! Very well, then.
It appears that Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist might run for President in the Constitution Party. I'd probably vote for him.
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If he does, he's got my vote for sure. He actually keeps in mind what this nation is supposed to be.

Folks voting for a turd party is what got us Bubba. Maybe squishy McCain would consider running as an independent to try to sink Billary's chances. I think enough lefties might vote for old Johnny that it might keep the bitch from sullying the White House again.
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Okay, let's recap:

"The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in."
 
Libertarian... ain't gonna happen..

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in."

Let's face it, in the real world the election is a popularity contest (California has Arnold). If the Libertarians ever ran a hugely popular candidate there would be a chance, however; as long as they run people like Bud Smith the mayor of Pidgeon Pass, Oklahoma it really is a wasted vote. You may feel great about yourself because you "did the right thing" but the reality is you've just "taken your ball gone home!", the game will go on without you.
 
[QUOTEIf it comes to that, I'll definately tell my parents to vote for a Libertarian.][/QUOTE]

DON'T split the vote. Remember what happened with Perot.
 
"_____as long as they run people like Bud Smith the mayor of Pidgeon Pass, Oklahoma it really is a wasted vote.__"

That must be out by Godebo.
 
Let's face it, in the real world the election is a popularity contest (California has Arnold). If the Libertarians ever ran a hugely popular candidate there would be a chance, however; as long as they run people like Bud Smith the mayor of Pidgeon Pass, Oklahoma it really is a wasted vote. You may feel great about yourself because you "did the right thing" but the reality is you've just "taken your ball gone home!", the game will go on without you.
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If enough other people have the courage to go with me, the entire game will move. And that's what integrity is all about: standing for principle no matter what. I stand for liberty. What do you stand for? Surrender? Compromise?

DON'T split the vote. Remember what happened with Perot.
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Uh-huh. And we're supposed to think the lesser evil is actually "good," right? Absolutely not. The lesser evil is a sure path to evil. I will stand with conviction for a party that truly represents America, not one that represents communism, however well-disguised and slow-paced in its advancement.
 
DON'T split the vote. Remember what happened with Perot.
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I remember well. Bush sold out the conservatives and many people fed up with the Republicans lack of backbone and moral fiber voted for Perot. Perhaps out of spite, prehaps out of belief.

Result, short term. Republicans lost to Clinton.

Result, long term. The middle and right of this country let the Republicans know point blank that they will not condone the wishy washy ways of the RINO. The Republicans learned from this and proceeded to retake both houses while Clinton was in office. GW then took the presidency espousing Republican ideals.

Today. Many of the republicans who gained the congress under Clinton have left or sold out. The migration back to the RINO is in full swing because the party has this insecurity complex about always needing to appease the left (strange that the left does not have such a complex). W is a sell out and the republicans are set to loose it all in the next couple elections because they forgot who brought them to the party.

I think Perot splitting the vote did more to help the Republicans in the long run than Bush 41 winning would ever have done. By FORCING the republicans to take stock of why they lost they were able to refocus on what they should have been doing. We are about to loose it all again becasue those lessons have been forgotten...
 
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