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Preparedness....
- Thread starter Dave McC
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Jody Hudson
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Dave,
Have you considered a .410 pump shotgun? There are even some good used ones on the market, by Mossburg perhaps, that have 18.5" barrels and long magazine tubes, although I've not seen these in quite a while. There are some pistol grip ones in .410 as well. Then there are the derringers, the Thunder Five revolver and some small double barrel derringers all in .410 as well. The .410 slug is formidable and it gives you the shot shells as well of course.
I think there is an 870 Wingmaster in .410 as well. And of course there is that little quirk about being able to use .45 Long Colt in a .410 so you get your smooth bore version of a carbine.
Are there any rifled barrel, pump, .410 shotguns out there?
Have you considered a .410 pump shotgun? There are even some good used ones on the market, by Mossburg perhaps, that have 18.5" barrels and long magazine tubes, although I've not seen these in quite a while. There are some pistol grip ones in .410 as well. Then there are the derringers, the Thunder Five revolver and some small double barrel derringers all in .410 as well. The .410 slug is formidable and it gives you the shot shells as well of course.
I think there is an 870 Wingmaster in .410 as well. And of course there is that little quirk about being able to use .45 Long Colt in a .410 so you get your smooth bore version of a carbine.
Are there any rifled barrel, pump, .410 shotguns out there?
Everything has been mentioned at least a few times, except communications gear.
I have several of the FRS radios, not much on range, but if you have a neighborhood that is willing to band together, it would be nice to communicate with one another. You can get 4-5 for less than $100 now.
I also have some of the Motorola GMRS radios for extra range and the ability to communicate between two or more vehicles if we're buggin out.
I have even recently taken the extra step of getting my ham radio license - it is really easy to get. Buy the Gordon West book at Radio shack, study up for a few weeks, and the test is a breeze, even for non-technical types like me. I haven't yet learned all the intricacies and practicalities of using my handheld radio, but the ham field is full of folks who are like-minded and eager to help.
Did I mention lots of batteries? alkalines, rechargeables, electric and solar chargers for the rechargeables.
Spare cash on hand?
Finally, gas for the car. I never go below 1/2 a tank, with enough on hand to fill er up.
Water, cash, batteries, and gas are the first commodities usually in short supply.
I have several of the FRS radios, not much on range, but if you have a neighborhood that is willing to band together, it would be nice to communicate with one another. You can get 4-5 for less than $100 now.
I also have some of the Motorola GMRS radios for extra range and the ability to communicate between two or more vehicles if we're buggin out.
I have even recently taken the extra step of getting my ham radio license - it is really easy to get. Buy the Gordon West book at Radio shack, study up for a few weeks, and the test is a breeze, even for non-technical types like me. I haven't yet learned all the intricacies and practicalities of using my handheld radio, but the ham field is full of folks who are like-minded and eager to help.
Did I mention lots of batteries? alkalines, rechargeables, electric and solar chargers for the rechargeables.
Spare cash on hand?
Finally, gas for the car. I never go below 1/2 a tank, with enough on hand to fill er up.
Water, cash, batteries, and gas are the first commodities usually in short supply.
Thanks for the feedback and input, folks. A coupla things....
First, no 410s. The idea here is to acquire a shoulder arm chambered for a cartridge we already have. As you may imagine, ammo logistics here is already as complicated as Sicilian politics. Ammo here now includes 45 ACP, 38SPL and 357 Mag, 30-30, 22 LR, 12 and 20 ga, and supplies for 45 and 50 caliber Muzzleloaders.
I've played with various lever actions from an original Winchester 73 in 44-40, to a Model 92 in 38-40 to a Marlin 44 Mag. Used within their range limits, excellent weapons, especially for those that do not handle kick well. 'nother possibility is something like Marlin's camp carbine in 45 ACP, but I'm not sure that one is of sufficient durability and reliability for the mission.
Frosty, after one war, three prison riots and a couple of Cub Scout camping trips,I can stay calm and focused through darn near anything. The family's a different matter, but training helps. So does example.
Communications is an area I should have mentioned. There's a CB Base station dismantled in the basement and a couple of car units. Cell phones for all adults. Lots of batteries, a couple of chargers.
Spare cash? Plastic will work short of Armageddon, and someone with all these guns can find cash if needed(G)...
First, no 410s. The idea here is to acquire a shoulder arm chambered for a cartridge we already have. As you may imagine, ammo logistics here is already as complicated as Sicilian politics. Ammo here now includes 45 ACP, 38SPL and 357 Mag, 30-30, 22 LR, 12 and 20 ga, and supplies for 45 and 50 caliber Muzzleloaders.
I've played with various lever actions from an original Winchester 73 in 44-40, to a Model 92 in 38-40 to a Marlin 44 Mag. Used within their range limits, excellent weapons, especially for those that do not handle kick well. 'nother possibility is something like Marlin's camp carbine in 45 ACP, but I'm not sure that one is of sufficient durability and reliability for the mission.
Frosty, after one war, three prison riots and a couple of Cub Scout camping trips,I can stay calm and focused through darn near anything. The family's a different matter, but training helps. So does example.
Communications is an area I should have mentioned. There's a CB Base station dismantled in the basement and a couple of car units. Cell phones for all adults. Lots of batteries, a couple of chargers.
Spare cash? Plastic will work short of Armageddon, and someone with all these guns can find cash if needed(G)...
Dave and friends:
Thanks for all the sage advice. It is much appreciated and will be put to good use.
Just ordered a Remmington 870 Express, 18" barrel & extended mag today. Making arrangements to practice at local range. Is a trigger lock sufficient for this or is a safe, locking cabinet, locking case the best way to go? I have 2 kids 10 & 11 and want to keep them safe.
Also, are tazers legal in Maryland? Wife is a nurse at an HMO. One of their larger clients is the US Postal Service whose employees are very nervous these days. One of her regular patients was one of the two that died of anthrax in DC. She was threatened by a patient a few days ago and she wants a means of self defense while on the job.
We are living in strange times which seem to bring out the best in some and the worst in others. While we aspire to the former, we have no intention of becoming victims of the latter.
Thanks again.
Thanks for all the sage advice. It is much appreciated and will be put to good use.
Just ordered a Remmington 870 Express, 18" barrel & extended mag today. Making arrangements to practice at local range. Is a trigger lock sufficient for this or is a safe, locking cabinet, locking case the best way to go? I have 2 kids 10 & 11 and want to keep them safe.
Also, are tazers legal in Maryland? Wife is a nurse at an HMO. One of their larger clients is the US Postal Service whose employees are very nervous these days. One of her regular patients was one of the two that died of anthrax in DC. She was threatened by a patient a few days ago and she wants a means of self defense while on the job.
We are living in strange times which seem to bring out the best in some and the worst in others. While we aspire to the former, we have no intention of becoming victims of the latter.
Thanks again.
Frosty, cub scouts will get you hurt(G)...
Doug,my kids were used to handling guns from about the time they could cross the street by themselves, under close supervision, of course. Son may have been all of 9 when he shot my 1911 GM for the first time.
For smaller kids, a pump kept cruiser ready (action locked shut, safety on, mag full, chamber empty) and kept high, like inside a closet above the door is enough to ensure safety. Yours are more able to overcome those measures, so there's other options. I don't know about you, but the folks had nothing I didn't get into while they were away. This approach may help...
Take them shooting and let them watch as you put a round into a pumpkin, 2 liter soda bottle filled with water, or other target that will explode dramatically. Explain that the gun is a marvelous tool that MUST NOT be misused, and that the stuff on TV is myth and illusion. Let them pop off a few 22 rounds, SAFELY,and let them handle firearms enough(Under supervision of course) to take the mystery and glamour out of them. Mine knew they could examine any gun in the house if they asked permission, and permission was ALWAYS granted.
I believe this approach is safer and more effective than a cable lock or safe. BTW, the little handgun safes are cheap, and a good place to keep a loaded handgun. Access via the keypad is PDQ.
As for your query, I prefer the safe. Your needs may differ.
There may be some old threads on a lockable shotgun rack, or another contributor here may be able to fill you in.
As for Tazers, I've no personal experience with them. I do know they're considered Deadly Weapons in some jurisdictions. IMO, she'd be better off with a mouse gun concealed on her person. A nurse I knew long ago worked in a good hospital, bad 'hood. A PPK clone in an ankle holster was her approach, and it sounds good to me.
Doug,my kids were used to handling guns from about the time they could cross the street by themselves, under close supervision, of course. Son may have been all of 9 when he shot my 1911 GM for the first time.
For smaller kids, a pump kept cruiser ready (action locked shut, safety on, mag full, chamber empty) and kept high, like inside a closet above the door is enough to ensure safety. Yours are more able to overcome those measures, so there's other options. I don't know about you, but the folks had nothing I didn't get into while they were away. This approach may help...
Take them shooting and let them watch as you put a round into a pumpkin, 2 liter soda bottle filled with water, or other target that will explode dramatically. Explain that the gun is a marvelous tool that MUST NOT be misused, and that the stuff on TV is myth and illusion. Let them pop off a few 22 rounds, SAFELY,and let them handle firearms enough(Under supervision of course) to take the mystery and glamour out of them. Mine knew they could examine any gun in the house if they asked permission, and permission was ALWAYS granted.
I believe this approach is safer and more effective than a cable lock or safe. BTW, the little handgun safes are cheap, and a good place to keep a loaded handgun. Access via the keypad is PDQ.
As for your query, I prefer the safe. Your needs may differ.
There may be some old threads on a lockable shotgun rack, or another contributor here may be able to fill you in.
As for Tazers, I've no personal experience with them. I do know they're considered Deadly Weapons in some jurisdictions. IMO, she'd be better off with a mouse gun concealed on her person. A nurse I knew long ago worked in a good hospital, bad 'hood. A PPK clone in an ankle holster was her approach, and it sounds good to me.
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KAM_Indianapolis
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http://home.earthlink.net/~grimitch/TFLGoBag.htm
Here's a compilation of go-bag contents that I've been doing based on recommendations of fellow TFLers. I like Daves description of it as a "panic bag".
Here's a compilation of go-bag contents that I've been doing based on recommendations of fellow TFLers. I like Daves description of it as a "panic bag".
Dave...
I have to admit that shotguns are my weakest firearm, but I am trying to correct that situation.
You talked about "cruiser ready", (action locked shut, safety on, mag full, chamber empty). How do you lock the action shut? By trigger lock? I assume that the action is closed also?
FWIW, I have been trying a new device called the Life Jacket. It is basically a plastic clamshell which encloses the action portion of the firearm. For handguns it seems to work fairly well for the few I have tried. However the shotgun model is a bit tight and seems to require that the action be open, which is not conducive to keeping the magazine loaded. It may be good for safe unloaded storage but I do not think it would work for a shotgun kept ready for self-defense.
I have to admit that shotguns are my weakest firearm, but I am trying to correct that situation.
You talked about "cruiser ready", (action locked shut, safety on, mag full, chamber empty). How do you lock the action shut? By trigger lock? I assume that the action is closed also?
FWIW, I have been trying a new device called the Life Jacket. It is basically a plastic clamshell which encloses the action portion of the firearm. For handguns it seems to work fairly well for the few I have tried. However the shotgun model is a bit tight and seems to require that the action be open, which is not conducive to keeping the magazine loaded. It may be good for safe unloaded storage but I do not think it would work for a shotgun kept ready for self-defense.
KAM_Indianapolis
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Evacuation
http://www.co.harrison.ms.us/departments/civildefense/
Best to look where they already plan on doing it. Do an internet search for your own area of operational concern.
http://www.co.harrison.ms.us/departments/civildefense/
Best to look where they already plan on doing it. Do an internet search for your own area of operational concern.