PPQ vs G19 for EDC

Read the thread before choosing please.

  • G19

    Votes: 36 57.1%

  • PPQ

    Votes: 27 42.9%
  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
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TheeAntic

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My armory consists of a PPQ, PPS and VP9. I think I am about to add a G19 to the collection.

The PPQ and G19 would be in the competition for winter carry. Each has their strengths. Here is what I do not want to be factored into your answer:

-Aftermarket support. I don't care, I can find exactly what I need for both guns.
-Reliability, they both eat anything. I know this first hand.

Here's my short list for each.

PPQ:

-Amazing trigger
-Tighter tolerances leading to better mechanical accuracy
-Looks better?

G19:

-Fits my hand like a glove, much better than the PPQ w/ large backstrap
-Very utilitarian
-Trigger is crap compared to the former.
-Easier to carry? Don't know about this one

So at 7yds I can shoot same size groups with each. I get on target quicker with the G19 due to the frame fitting my hand better. Farther out than 7yds the PPQ excels.

I don't know how big of a roll ergonomics and long range accuracy should play into a carry piece so I'll let you guys enlighten me on that. If I choose the PPQ I would only have to buy 1 more, so around $550. (Training gun and carry gun, I shoot too often to clean them every time) If I choose to carry the G19 I would have to buy 2 since I don't already own 1. At blue label pricing it would be around $950 for both.

I'm sure more training will make the PPQ draw as naturally as the G19.

Opinions? - Brian
 
I own both and they are both outstanding pistols.

I carry the PPQ however because that is what I shoot the best between the two. I was also very surprised how well I shoot my PPQ strong hand only.

I CCW my PPQ in a Raven Concealment Phantom OWB holster and it conceals very well for me.
 
For me, own both, the PPQ is the better pistol slow fire, once you pick up the speed like in IDPA or other games the G19 is much better, in my hands the bore axis difference returns the G19 back to target much quicker.
 
Had a PPQ M1 when they first came out. Loved it for a while, but then when the honeymoon phase was over I went back to a Glock 19. The PPQ grip texture wasn't positive enough to keep the pistol from moving around in my hand with slightly sweaty palms and the trigger was really crisp but a little too crisp and light for my taste as a carry pistol.

For me, the new HK VP9 addresses the complaints I had with the PPQ perfectly while also bringing some other nice features to the table like the replaceable side panels, charging supports, and cocked indicator (which actually appeared on the P99 series but oddly NOT on the PPQ for some reason which kind of bothered me).

For me, the Glock 17/19/26 series and the VP9 make up the best options for a striker fired pistol out there right now.
 
I didn't vote in your poll because I don't agree with either. Of those in your collection, I'd be much more interested in carrying the VP9.

If you're looking at potentially adding a gun the size of the G19 for easier carry.... take a good look at the Sig P320 Compact. It's VERY close to the G19. It's actually a little thinner overall than the Glock 19 not including the take-down lever. The frame of the P320 is thinner than the Glock.

It's really, really good. Do yourself a favor and check it out if you have not.
 
I have shot the P320 and didnt like it at all, it does not fit my hand and has a mile long reset.

The VP9 is a full size pistol in my eyes, I am not interested in carrying it. It's strictly HD.
 
I have shot the P320 and didnt like it at all, it does not fit my hand and has a mile long reset.
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In no way does it have a mile long reset. I think you're confusing it with the P250.

The VP9 is a full size pistol in my eyes, I am not interested in carrying it. It's strictly HD.
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It's 1/10 of one inch taller than the PPQ...
 
To be fair to Sig, it was a heavily used and abused rental gun. The particular one I am talking about had probably 3/4 an inch of reset? It was mind boggling.

It does not fit me though, I was constantly trying to get my hand up higher on the frame.
 
TheeAntic said:
To be fair to Sig, it was a heavily used and abused rental gun. The particular one I am talking about had probably 3/4 an inch of reset? It was mind boggling.

It does not fit me though, I was constantly trying to get my hand up higher on the frame.
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Then it wasn't a P320 (they haven't even been out that long to be used and abused rental guns). Fair enough if you don't like the frame of the P250 you likely won't like the P320, but when I see something factually wrong I point it out.
 
I could post a video of it if you like, I know the difference between the P320 and P250. The shop is full of "gun smiths" that probably tried to tinker with it but failed miserably.

This is getting rather off topic. Back to the original subject please.
 
TheeAntic said:
I could post a video of it if you like, I know the difference between the P320 and P250. The shop is full of "gun smiths" that probably tried to tinker with it but failed miserably.

This is getting rather off topic. Back to the original subject please.
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A P320 doesn't have a 3/4" reset. Its not even close. It's okay to be wrong.
 
It was an over exaggeration, yes.

Fact of the matter is the reset was so long that it was a conscious thought, and was puzzling at the time. I really could care less if you believe I have the ability to read P320 on the dam slide, I know what I shot. For the second time, back to the original subject please.
 
The P320 reset is the same as the PPQ and shorter than the VP9...extremely short. I don't care how 'used and abused rental gun' it was... it's just not possible. There's not even that much TOTAL trigger travel on the gun.


The VP9 and PPQ are nearly the exact same size. If you can carry the PPQ, you can carry the VP9, but to each their own.

It sounds like you're really set on the G19. If it works for you, then go for it. It's certainly a decent gun and they have a good resale value should you decide you don't like it. I sold both my PPQ and my G19 so my opinion doesn't hold much weight anyways. lol
 
I don't doubt your ability to read. That the reset on a P320 vs. a PPQ or G19 for that matter would require conscious thought is simply baffling to me. This is a public forum and again if I see someone misreprenting something I point it out for the benefit of other readers, not you.

As for your original subject, seeing that you insist on two pistols save yourself some money and get the PPQ as you seem to have more pros for it and you yourself seem to believe you can overcome the speed differences. Just be aware that some people might find the G19 easier to carry, but if you've carried both and don't mind the PPQ then it's not a big deal.
 
Well here is something's to point out, the OP asked for opinions on two specific handguns, didn't ask for anyone else to point out others.

Don't think HKs nor Sigs are either of the guns being asked about so why even bring them up let alone argue about them.....
 
^Here's the sticky wicket: if I respond to this the thread goes even MORE off-topic as you say.

So I'll say :D.

Another thought is if the OP has a PPS and carries the PPS, having his carries be the same magazine release might be a plus.
 
Another thought is if the OP has a PPS and carries the PPS, having his carries be the same magazine release might be a plus.
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This is a very big point, since all of my weapons have the paddle mag release whenever I switch to a button my middle finger automatically goes to the trigger guard before I realize that I need to use my thumb to hit it.

Again, something that training could get rid of.

I am new to carry, not to handguns. Therefor I can't speak of which would be easier to EDC. The G19 appears to be slightly thinner up top, lower profile slide release and such. It is also ~1/8-1/4" shorter in the grip, although the PPQ is more rounded where the G19 is square.

Off-topic, but the PPS is being a PIA. 300 rounds in and I have had 2 failure to feeds and 1 failure to extract where the spent shell stays in the chamber and continues to try and load another round. I feel like the 2 failure to feeds may have been my fault though, they happened after 2 hours of shooting when I was just limp wristing the recoil.

I was really hoping that Glock would come out with a 9mm single stack this year as the shield is not for me and the XDS feels like a cannon in my hands. The PPS has me worried about reliability as a carry piece. Not sure what else there is that is around that size and good for carry.
 
For what you have listed in the thread about after market support not being a factor? This is not close. PPQ is a better handgun in so many respects and is only slightly taller than the G19. I'd spend the money on ammo or a 2nd PPQ if I had to choose.
 
Personally, I would just carry the PPS all year long. It's a fine gun for the role. Maybe just carry the extended mag in the winter if clothing allows.
 
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