LanceOregon
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And why would you argue that your choice should be considered the worst???
Feel free to also mention a President that is not on my list.
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Feel free to also mention a President that is not on my list.
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Poll: Who has been the WORST President in United States History?
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Technosavant
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It depends on the criteria used. If you judge by what they did to America's standing in the world and their handling of our economy, Carter is by far the worst. If you judge based on the oath of office (preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States), then I think FDR leaves everybody else standing.
LanceOregon
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I assume that you mean Franklin Roosevelt, and not Theodore Roosevelt, who I believe is generally considered to be one of America's greatest Presidents.
I almost included FDR on the list, as he was very controversial. But I felt that he had so many positive points, that they would cancel out any of his negatives.
Unfortunately, Polls cannot be edited once posted. We will just have to keep a running count on FDR.
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LanceOregon
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This is your decision, so please use your own personal criteria to make your choice.
orionengnr
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Woodrow Wilson started getting away from the Founding Fathers' intent regarding the government grabbing power. Some see that as the beginning of the end.
I agree with the assessment of the lasting legacy of Roosevelt and the resulting erosion of personal responsibility.
Let's be honest--for most of my 51 years the choices have been "bad" and "worse", and this time around will be more of the same.
I agree with the assessment of the lasting legacy of Roosevelt and the resulting erosion of personal responsibility.
Let's be honest--for most of my 51 years the choices have been "bad" and "worse", and this time around will be more of the same.
Citizen Carrier
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Voted for Lyndon Johnson myself.
I despise the Great Society and his poor mismanagement/micromanagment of the Vietnam War.
Woodrow Wilson's conduct during WWI makes anything Bush has done during TGWOT look almost Jeffersonian by comparison.
I despise the Great Society and his poor mismanagement/micromanagment of the Vietnam War.
Woodrow Wilson's conduct during WWI makes anything Bush has done during TGWOT look almost Jeffersonian by comparison.
Depends on the criteria.
I nominate President Taft. He proposed the 16th amendment, without which FDR's "New Deal" would not have been possible, nor would the bloated FedGov we have today. He was a member of the Republican Party, back when they admitted to being the progressive "tax and spend" party.
He also later became a Chief Justice of SCOTUS and was in the majority for quite a few bad decisions, including:
Carroll v. United States, 267 U.S. 132 (1925) (opinion for the Court) Holding that police searches of automobiles without a warrant do not violate the Fourth Amendment when the police have probable cause to believe contraband would be found in the automobile
Gong Lum v. Rice, 275 U.S. 78 (1927) (opinion for the Court) Ruling that the Fourteenth Amendment did not prohibit Mississippi's prevention of Asian children attending white schools in the midst of racial segregation.
Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928) (opinion for the Court) Ruling that the judicial practice of excluding evidence obtained without a warrant was based on the Fourth Amendment's proscription on unreasonable search and seizure but did not apply to wiretaps.
I nominate President Taft. He proposed the 16th amendment, without which FDR's "New Deal" would not have been possible, nor would the bloated FedGov we have today. He was a member of the Republican Party, back when they admitted to being the progressive "tax and spend" party.
He also later became a Chief Justice of SCOTUS and was in the majority for quite a few bad decisions, including:
Carroll v. United States, 267 U.S. 132 (1925) (opinion for the Court) Holding that police searches of automobiles without a warrant do not violate the Fourth Amendment when the police have probable cause to believe contraband would be found in the automobile
Gong Lum v. Rice, 275 U.S. 78 (1927) (opinion for the Court) Ruling that the Fourteenth Amendment did not prohibit Mississippi's prevention of Asian children attending white schools in the midst of racial segregation.
Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928) (opinion for the Court) Ruling that the judicial practice of excluding evidence obtained without a warrant was based on the Fourth Amendment's proscription on unreasonable search and seizure but did not apply to wiretaps.
TheBluesMan
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Clinton. One of only two American presidents in 233 years who was impeached.
He is an example to our nation's children that character doesn't matter as long as you do your job well; that you can lie to the American people with impunity, and when you get caught, you should lie some more - under oath; that you can cheat on your wife and still have the support of women's rights organizations; that you can twist the meanings of words so that sex doesn't mean sex and nobody knows what the meaning of the word is is.
I could continue but I'd like to keep from :barf:ing before dinner.
He is an example to our nation's children that character doesn't matter as long as you do your job well; that you can lie to the American people with impunity, and when you get caught, you should lie some more - under oath; that you can cheat on your wife and still have the support of women's rights organizations; that you can twist the meanings of words so that sex doesn't mean sex and nobody knows what the meaning of the word is is.
I could continue but I'd like to keep from :barf:ing before dinner.
Forwardassist
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Hard to say.
The easy answer is GWB, but it is hard to judge him fairly without any preconceived bias. I detest the man to the bone, because of my bias I will not pick him as the worst President, at least not yet. I would say the first four in the list are probably some of the worst Presidents. Though Nixon is right up there. Though he did get us out of Vietnam, and opened up talks with China. I would say James Buchanan was the worst. His inaction lead directly to the Civil War.
The easy answer is GWB, but it is hard to judge him fairly without any preconceived bias. I detest the man to the bone, because of my bias I will not pick him as the worst President, at least not yet. I would say the first four in the list are probably some of the worst Presidents. Though Nixon is right up there. Though he did get us out of Vietnam, and opened up talks with China. I would say James Buchanan was the worst. His inaction lead directly to the Civil War.
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Yes I did mean Franky R. I think his socialization of America was much worse for us overall than any shaggin' and lying Billy C. did. Carter's utter incompetence in international affairs along with nanny state internal affairs made him far worse overall than Clinton too. Clinton probably was responsible for more suicides than any other though... Didn't one clinton hand holder commit suicide by shooting himself a couple times in the back of the head?
Brent
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Woodrow Wilson!!!!!! Why didn't you include him? He signed in the FED!!!!! You're money is worthless paper, and inflation is destroying the country, and taxing the working class into abject poverty, and Wilson didn't even make it to this pole?!
On Sunday, December 23, 1913, two days before Christmas, while most of Congress was on vacation, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Wilson would later express profound regret over his tragic decision, stating:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
On Sunday, December 23, 1913, two days before Christmas, while most of Congress was on vacation, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Wilson would later express profound regret over his tragic decision, stating:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
He dismantled the alternative energy initiatives that Carter started (one of the few things Carter did right) and kept us on the path of dependence on foreign oil -- and that's how we got in the mess we are in now.Playboypenguin
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I think Bush has been the most damaging for this country...both internally and aboad but I had to vote for Carter.
I think Carter is a inspirational man, a motivational teacher, an amazing diplomat, compassionate, rational, and intelligent...but he was just not much of a leader. He is the kind of man all men should strive to be but he was lacking the desire to be followed that is needed to be President. He was always more interested in finding the good in everyone than he was in doing the dificult things a leader has to do.
I think Carter is a inspirational man, a motivational teacher, an amazing diplomat, compassionate, rational, and intelligent...but he was just not much of a leader. He is the kind of man all men should strive to be but he was lacking the desire to be followed that is needed to be President. He was always more interested in finding the good in everyone than he was in doing the dificult things a leader has to do.
azredhawk44
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FDR. Aside from the creation of the socialist nanny state in the US, didn't he also pad the Supreme Court by adding two justices to the count?
Can't get the decision you want? Fine, just add more people until you alter the balance in your favor.
Can't get the decision you want? Fine, just add more people until you alter the balance in your favor.
However much hated and despised on this forum FDR, Carter, and Clinton were the ‘worst.’
I would submit Andrew Johnson. I can forgive a president who makes a sincere effort and fails because he’s not up to the job – Hoover, Carter, GW Bush, but I have nothing but contempt for a president who uses the power of the Office for his own petty purposes.
I would submit Andrew Johnson. I can forgive a president who makes a sincere effort and fails because he’s not up to the job – Hoover, Carter, GW Bush, but I have nothing but contempt for a president who uses the power of the Office for his own petty purposes.
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