So one single person on this website recommending the 10 gauge over the 3.5 inch 12 gauge makes it the better gun for you to always recommend to folks? That is just ridiculous.
In all of these discussions on this subject of 10 gauge vs 3.5 inch 12 gauge ( including this thread that has the quote from jbaham you refer to ), people looking for new shotguns have had the same opinion that MontyCop has stated right here about the 10 gauge. The 10 gauge autos are a very specialized guns. People generally want a more versatile shotgun. They are also extremely heavy, and thus far more difficult to swing. And I will ask you again, do you not know just how heavy the Browning Gold 10 and Remington SP-10 are? Have you ever even handled any of the 10 gauges on the market?
For you to be continually recommending the 10 gauge to folks is absolutely ludicrous. Especially in light of the fact that you have no personal experience or knowledge of the subject as I do.
You have no qualifications whatsoever to be able to make such a recommendation.
The Browning Maxus will definitely offer you the latest new features that Browning has developed. It clearly beats out the Winchester SX3 when it comes to new innovation and improvements.
So if you can afford the price tag of the Maxus, I think that it is the best gun that you are still considering.
Zippy:
So one single person on this website recommending the 10 gauge over the 3.5 inch 12 gauge makes it the better gun for you to always recommend to folks?
Don't you remember, you clearly stated that there are none,
LanceOregon said:
And the simple fact is that these other posts that you say that you are referrring to here in this forum DO NOT EXIST! There are no such statements made here by others making these arguments to prefer the 10 gauge over the 3.5 inch 12 gauge.
so, I need cite only one to refute you. Your "simple fact" is shown to be false. Why should I spend time citing more than one example, making you look more the fool, when you're doing such a splendid job by yourself?
Oh, since you say I'm "always" recommending a 10-ga gun over a 3 1/2-inch 12 ga, perhaps you can cite one instance where I actually recommended the purchase a specific 10-ga gun. I may have suggested they make recoil comparisons, or have a look at some 10-ga guns before making their final selection. That's a far cry from "always" recommending a 10-ga gun.
I did notice that you recommend the Browning Maxus; but, only after the OP announced that he'd already checked some out at his LGS and expressed a favorable first impression. Why didn't you recommend the Maxus from the get-go? Instead you chose to put words in my mouth so you could divert the thread to serve your personal witch hunt.
I did notice that you recommend the Browning Maxus; but, only after the OP announced that he'd already checked some out at his LGS and expressed a favorable first impression. Why didn't you recommend the Maxus from the get-go?
You are really something. My very first post here in this thread asked the OP why he did not consider the Browning Maxus. Anyone can clearly see that.
The bottom line here is this:
You are totally unqualified to make any recommendations whatsoever on this topic. You have no actual experience or personal knowledge of any kind on the subject of the benefits and advantages of 3.5 inch 12 gauge vs 10 gauge autoloaders.
In other words, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about on the subject.
Zippy:
You are really something. My very first post here in this thread asked the OP why he did not consider the Browning Maxus. Anyone can clearly see that.
Sorry, it was intentional, I wanted to make a point: You're quick to report that you've obviously been misrepresented; yet, you seem surprised that I respond when you continue to make misrepresentations about my postings.
You seem to object to the physics behind my simple observation: "a 10-ga gun will have less perceived recoil than a similar equivalently loaded 12-ga gun with 3-1/2s. This is due to 10-ga guns typically being heavier and operating at lower pressures," and have blown the entire matter out of proportion. Rather than provide an opposite explanation:
You've boldly stated that no references I've made exist. And I gave a citation.
You've claimed that I'm "continually recommending 10-ga guns to folks." I've asked you to provide an example, but you haven't.
You repeatedly claim that I don't have the necessary experience to make recommendations. First, as noted above, I haven't made any recommendations. And, second, who appointed you the arbiter determining who can or can't express an opinion, or make an observation at this forum?
At least we can be satisfied that, despite our differences, the forum has served is purpose and steered the OP, MonteCop05, to his objective.
Browning Maxus or SX3 - not that much difference between the two - same manufacturer (FN) and mostly same gun - one main difference is that the Maxus has only one gas piston and the SX3 comes with two for light and heavy loads. Either way you get lighter recoil and the fastest shooting shotgun available and both are as reliable as any shotgun can get.
I never said or implied in any way at all that you can't express your opinions.
I've only had factual disagreements regarding the accuracy and validity of your statements, and the fact that you have no experience at all in shooting either type of shotgun.
I also vote maxus, haven't had a problem with mine yet, has performed just like a pump in every situation and performed over my friends benelli Nova in more than likely the coldest hunt i've ever been on.
I said other, Benelli Vinchi is my vote. Simpleist gun being made today, they seem like they wouldnt be but they break down and everything is just comforting knowing how well its made
I like SX3, but the Browning was not out at the time.
I bought a SX3 this past January for Snow Goose hunting in the southern tip of Illinois. It ia an absolute joy to shoot and handels very well. Being a new gun that excepts 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 my friend and I decided to have a experiment. We took three rounds 2 3/4, 3, 3 1/2 and had the other guy put them in random and then the other guy let loose. I will admit the only way you knew the difference was by the blast. I did not feel any big difference in kick.
As far as 10 gages go, I hunted on Snicarte Island near Bath, Illinois with an old school waterfowler. He carried a 10 made by Remington. After a while he relized I was very curious and asked if I wanted to shoot it. I took him up on it. Boom!!!! It kicked pretty damn good. I hate when guys say they shot it and would never shoot it again. But what I can say it is not something you would want to lug around all day and fire repeatedly. Going through a box of shell would not be fun after about three shots.
And I believe the Browning and the SX3 are made at the same FN factory.
You will not be disapointed with the SX3, but if you want the deer barrel better take out a second morgage. The best price I could find was $655+Taxes and shipping!
Good Luck,
BILLDAVE
