that steroid pumping governor from the plasticfantastic state of california is pushing to have the law changed so he can run for president. would you be in favor of that? i sure wouldnt, but you can bet it will happen sooner or later as our population becomes mexicanized, they will want one of thier own to be the leader.
poll- a foriegn born president?
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Hmmmm.....
My gut reaction is to say yes. Anyone who is an American citizen, regardless of original nationality, should be allowed to run for high office.
As to your concern about a Hispanic being elected presidente de America, there are plenty of USA-born hispanics already, who, should the current law stand, would be 100% eligible in attaining the presidency.
Don't get me wrong - I share your worries for the future of this country. A nation is defined as a group that shares the same cultures, customs, values, religion, and language. The people flooding in from the south share very few of those things with those already here.
My gut reaction is to say yes. Anyone who is an American citizen, regardless of original nationality, should be allowed to run for high office.
As to your concern about a Hispanic being elected presidente de America, there are plenty of USA-born hispanics already, who, should the current law stand, would be 100% eligible in attaining the presidency.
Don't get me wrong - I share your worries for the future of this country. A nation is defined as a group that shares the same cultures, customs, values, religion, and language. The people flooding in from the south share very few of those things with those already here.
As to your concern about a Hispanic being elected presidente de America, there are plenty of USA-born hispanics already, who, should the current law stand, would be 100% eligible in attaining the presidency
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yep i'm well aware of that, i was specifically talking about mexican immigrants. we dont need a foriegn born president, mexican or otherwise(arnold s.)
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yep i'm well aware of that, i was specifically talking about mexican immigrants. we dont need a foriegn born president, mexican or otherwise(arnold s.)
....and the thing that separates them from immigrants of yesteryear is that they, by all indications, have NO intention of assimilating or changing in any way
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you hit the nail on the head there, you only have to hear the spanish being spoken,the spanish printed in ENGLISH newspapers and see all of the mexican flags flying to realize that they dont want to become Americanized, they want us to become mexicanized.
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you hit the nail on the head there, you only have to hear the spanish being spoken,the spanish printed in ENGLISH newspapers and see all of the mexican flags flying to realize that they dont want to become Americanized, they want us to become mexicanized.
novus collectus
Moderator
What would happen if Arnold became president and we were at war with his home country? Would he be able to send a nuke over there and kill his entire family and all of his childhood friends to save America? Sounds too risky to me.
A highly unlikely if not impossible scenario but how about this: Someone passes a law letting illegal immigrants become citizens who can vote. 50 million Mexicans and South Americans move here, become citizens and then vote for their Mexican born candidate into the office of the president. The Mormons did something like this in Ohio IIRC.
A highly unlikely if not impossible scenario but how about this: Someone passes a law letting illegal immigrants become citizens who can vote. 50 million Mexicans and South Americans move here, become citizens and then vote for their Mexican born candidate into the office of the president. The Mormons did something like this in Ohio IIRC.
Im not hispanic but I would take 10 hispanic presidents over
One calaforina muscle head.
If you were born here then this is your country I dont care if your black white red or blue your American.
If you werent born here then your somthing else and CAN NOT be president. The laws stating that were made a long time ago by people much smarter than we are. Leave it.
If Arnold ever becomes president, I will cary a red flag with a star and vote commie.
Tell me any one here, which would you rather have
Born in America Hispanic president or Hillary Clinton
It is sure easy for me.
One calaforina muscle head.
If you were born here then this is your country I dont care if your black white red or blue your American.
If you werent born here then your somthing else and CAN NOT be president. The laws stating that were made a long time ago by people much smarter than we are. Leave it.
If Arnold ever becomes president, I will cary a red flag with a star and vote commie.
Tell me any one here, which would you rather have
Born in America Hispanic president or Hillary Clinton
It is sure easy for me.
The reasons the father's didn't want it expired a long time ago. They were worried about English infiltration of the Executive office.
I think we're safe from those tea-taxing limeys, now.
Given the supremely crappy choices we've had for President of late, I'd be for it if that's what it took to get someone of integrity AND intelligence into the job. (Which doesn't mean I think Arnie is necessarily fits that bill.)
At least Arnold was a better actor then Reagan.
I think we're safe from those tea-taxing limeys, now.
Given the supremely crappy choices we've had for President of late, I'd be for it if that's what it took to get someone of integrity AND intelligence into the job. (Which doesn't mean I think Arnie is necessarily fits that bill.)
At least Arnold was a better actor then Reagan.
grey_pilgrim
New member
Yeah, but i don't think arnold would be a better president than regan. I think I would vote democrat (although i would depend on who the dem was)
I don't like the idea of letting someone who's not born in america become president. Too much possibility for conflict-of-interest. Even nowadays. I don't have a problem with people born in other countries running. They are, after all, naturalized citizens. I just think that the office of president should be something special.
And i would most certainly vote for someone who was hispanic if (keeping the current political alignment) he or she could beat the dems.
I don't like the idea of letting someone who's not born in america become president. Too much possibility for conflict-of-interest. Even nowadays. I don't have a problem with people born in other countries running. They are, after all, naturalized citizens. I just think that the office of president should be something special.
And i would most certainly vote for someone who was hispanic if (keeping the current political alignment) he or she could beat the dems.
Lawyer Daggit
New member
What is wrong with the notion of a foreign born President.
I migrated to Australia at the age of 12 from the UK, I am a naturalised Australian and consider myself a very patriotic Australian who would put my adopted Country first. Why should'nt an American in a similar position be able to be President?
I migrated to Australia at the age of 12 from the UK, I am a naturalised Australian and consider myself a very patriotic Australian who would put my adopted Country first. Why should'nt an American in a similar position be able to be President?
novus collectus
Moderator
That is different in two ways. First: Australia is part of the commonwealth anyway. Second (IIR correctly) For decades during the Cold War in America we had moles of the communist government that had lived a good part of their lives in the U.S. as citizens and worked their way into sensitive positions in the government. This helped to bring attention to why we did not want to take the risk that a politician may have other loyalties in mind if they had been raised in another country. This only applies to our commander of the armed forces though. We would find out too late that he just wanted to "press the button" or make it that so no one could "press the button" in retaliation to a nuclear attack. Senators, Supreme Court Justices and Representatives are all allowed to have been born outside the country though since they are not the hghest ranking military officer.
perception
New member
"The reasons the father's didn't want it expired a long time ago."
Handy, I usually agree with you, but that argument is the same one many Brady types use to support removal of second ammendment rights. IMHO it is the same as saying that the founding fathers didn't plan on the weapons of today and therefore there is no longer any legitimate use for them. Im all for leaving the constitution as it is now.
Handy, I usually agree with you, but that argument is the same one many Brady types use to support removal of second ammendment rights. IMHO it is the same as saying that the founding fathers didn't plan on the weapons of today and therefore there is no longer any legitimate use for them. Im all for leaving the constitution as it is now.
Hmmmm...
Two of the best firearms/civil rights forums on the net are nominally headed up by a pair of guys named Oleg Volk and Marko Kloos. I'm privileged to count both as my friend in the Real World. Neither was born here. Both are more American (or at least closer to the spirit of the Founding Fathers) than any President I can remember in my short lifetime...
Two of the best firearms/civil rights forums on the net are nominally headed up by a pair of guys named Oleg Volk and Marko Kloos. I'm privileged to count both as my friend in the Real World. Neither was born here. Both are more American (or at least closer to the spirit of the Founding Fathers) than any President I can remember in my short lifetime...
Mike Irwin
Staff
"....and the thing that separates them from immigrants of yesteryear is that they, by all indications, have NO intention of assimilating or changing in any way."
Say what?
You think it's any different today than it was 100 years ago?
No.
Hundreds of thousands of non-english speaking immigrants came to this country in years past and never totally learned English, and never fully assimilated into the American culture.
Chinatown, Little Italy, etc., all were microcosms of cultures in other nations, cultures that had been only partially left behind.
The image of the Great American Melting Pot is about as true today as it was back then. Not very true at all.
Say what?
You think it's any different today than it was 100 years ago?
No.
Hundreds of thousands of non-english speaking immigrants came to this country in years past and never totally learned English, and never fully assimilated into the American culture.
Chinatown, Little Italy, etc., all were microcosms of cultures in other nations, cultures that had been only partially left behind.
The image of the Great American Melting Pot is about as true today as it was back then. Not very true at all.
Lawyer Daggit
New member
Novus Collectus, I can understand the historical reason why a President had to be an American but this does not justify its retention today.
That Australia is part of the Commonwealth is irrelevant. The British passport as such no longer exists, one has an European Economic Union passport instead.
America, like Australia is a nation of migrants and many, like myself embrace their new country as their own- as I believe a migrant should. Why should a migrant be penalised by not being able to occupy the Presidency?
That Australia is part of the Commonwealth is irrelevant. The British passport as such no longer exists, one has an European Economic Union passport instead.
America, like Australia is a nation of migrants and many, like myself embrace their new country as their own- as I believe a migrant should. Why should a migrant be penalised by not being able to occupy the Presidency?