Politics ends a friendship.

Youth and Truth

Hey Heist, you believe the way you do because you haven't spent enough time on this earth to realize the EVIL that people do. You've got a very limited spectrum of what you've seen and heard in your few short years of being. As time goes by, your values will change, dramtically I may add, and you may even think yourself stupid for believing what you do now in 20 years, I know I do LOL.

I don't have many friends, and the friends I do have (not even a handful), well, let's just say we're all on the same page, and I would give my life for any of them and I know they would do the same for me.


Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Heist,
Mere political disagreements are to be expected. That I can live with.
But to say you hate this country and go so far as to empathize with those hellbent on destroying this country and our way of life, that's going the limit in my book!
To me, he's saying he agrees with those that would come into my home and slit the throats of my wife & baby.
He agrees with those that would fly a plane into American buildings and kill thousands of innocent men, women and children.
Need I go on?
I don't think thats just a "political disagreement".
Do you?
And lest anyone think otherwise,....Yes! I DO believe he has a RIGHT to feel that way.
Just as I have a RIGHT to disassociate myself from him and his ilk.
 
+100 Epyon

I'm with ya here, and I think this is more common than not. A little liberal, a little conservative, but I'm staunch in these and so far, no one has been able to change my mind. Maybe being an athiest has it's advantages because I face no MORAL dilemnas in my life LOL.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
I support gay marrige. (If the sanctity of marrige truly was sacred, why is our divorce rate so high? Plus who's business is it to say who you can and can't love? The religious reason is invalid, because it violates the seperation of church and state.)
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No such thing in the constitution about separation of church and state.

I believe in right to die. (If a person is suffering such as from terminal illness and they can no longer function, they are not living, they are existing. If that person chooses to die, that decision should be between said person and their beliefs.)
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Laws against suicide seem silly, just who are they going to prosecute?
 
DasBoot, too bad, but sometimes you find that the friendship was all in your head after all. Good luck.

our view of The State is a repressed metaphor for our relationship with parents
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Nope. Sounds good but it ain't. Psychobabble can be pretty convincing, sort of like the logic for equipping an entire army with a 5.56 mm main battle rifle.:rolleyes:
 
Fired a male parental unit when I was 17. Tired of him abusing my mom and sisters. Not much of a man, no kind of father. Stopped beating me when he found out that I hit back. Sometimes it is tough, but life ain't easy. Mom and older sister now passed away, old man is alone, and wonders why. Done it to so- called friends as well. When it comes right down to it, the only one you can count on in a tighht spot is yourself, and no one else.
 
Too bad you lost a good friend, I never talk politics or religion especially after people have had a few drinks.

Quote "He continued to claim that all handguns should be banned, because they are "evil", and no one needs them."

I live in the city in the midwest and very few people hunt, mostly us transplanted southerners. I have learned not to talk about firearms to anyone that doesn't hunt. Most people here think that anyone that has a gun is a fanatic. Its strange how the uninformed have pre-concieved ideas of people with guns. As if owning a gun makes you different from them. Maybe its their political ideas or just the social differences from mine. Where I grew up I can't remember any family or friends that didnt have a gun cabinet. It was the social norm. Here people think the only people that have guns are criminals. Strange
 
I'm with Epyon on this one. If I've had a friend for long enough that I trust him with my life, I wouldn't care about his political leanings.
My two best friends are political opposites in nearly every way (we all like guns tho'). One is hyper-liberal and the other is hyper-conservative. We all know it, agree to disagree, and get along great.
 
In response to garryc...

The whole right to die thing came up when I was remembering the Terry Schaivo case in Florida, and how there was an unecessary number of protesters who wanted her to live and were urging government officials to make her live. (I don't like it when the public and media tries to get involved in the personal lives of others. It's almost as disrepectful as that one church group who go to military funerals claiming that America is going to hell in a handbasket and that's what the dead soldier was fighting for.) By the way, isn't there the ideology of seperation of church and state somewhere in one of the founding documents? (If not the Constitution, then the Decleration of Independence? Someone please clarify for me.)


Epyon
 
I guess it depends on how strongly you believe in something and how far you are willing to allow someone to tread on that(those) beliefs.
At some point, if you are true to your convictions, you'll have to take a stand.
He told me if America were attacked, he wouldn't fight to protect it.
Some people might just accept that as his rightful opinion, which it is.
But I will cease to associate with you.
Standing up for what you believe is right isn't always easy.
No matter how enjoyable our time has been together, if I don't respect you.....bye bye!
I guess others have a different threshold for tolerance.
 
+100 DasBoot

If any person I knew told me they wouldn't defend America if attacked, I'l let them know exactly where they could go, hell, I'd even help them get there LOL.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Y'know, politics is important, but it isnt the most important thing in the world. Certainly, I can understand losing respect for someone who doesn't love their country (even if they hate or fear their government), but completely turning your back on them isn't necessarily the right thing to do all the time.

For the most part, these people should be pitied, not hated.

-Dave
 
KenpoProfessor thanks for the links...

That helped a lot, so it's basically within the First Amendment under the Establishment Clause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause_of_the_First_Amendment

Awesome, I had a feeling it was in the Constitution somewhere. Just as stated by the intellgence of educated people, religion and politics should not be mixed, especially if we are to be a society that holds freedom to the highest degree equally to everyone.


Epyon
 
TheBluesMan what would you say about...

Someone who hates what the government is these days and thinks it needs to undergo some major changes, yet loves this land and the true ideology we should stand for and thinks we should follow the Constitution word for word and allow people more freedom instead of place controls on them?


Epyon
 
Epyon - I would say that you just described me and my beliefs very well - And about 90 percent of the readers of this forum.
 
I cannot, and will not be friends, or associate with persons that I feel are dedicated, or approve, of the destruction of my Country, or the beliefs and precepts that made this Country great.
Those that feel that America is an evil Country, or that there is any justification for muslim extremism are not worth my time to talk to them.
If there were any possibility of rational discourse I would try, but the liberals I have spoken to do not seem to have the capacity to change.
 
Y'know, politics is important, but it isnt the most important thing in the world. Certainly, I can understand losing respect for someone who doesn't love their country (even if they hate or fear their government), but completely turning your back on them isn't necessarily the right thing to do all the time.
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I wouldn't turn my back on a friend who feared or hated the government. I was probably guilty of that during the Carter and Clinton years. I'm suspicious of my government these days. And my two best friends are political opposites of me. But hating my country--its people and form of government--is a deal breaker. That kind of hate goes beyond politics.
 
two kinds of liberals...

...Those with whom I can discuss rationally differences of opinion, with mutual respect in recognition that we may disagree profoundly on perspective but not so much on fact. The other type is one that is a simple stranger to logic, fact, history and reason.
One of these friends (20+ years) puts Mickey Moore in my face, and exhorts the "Bush lied people died" line, mostly I think because as a punk rocker in his youth he's accustomed to contrariness and revolt against his elders. However, he's exceptionally well read, and highly educated in a computer discipline, so his arguments are at least understandable. And while I dispute his sources and his perspective, I understand that the first informs the latter. He usually gives at least passing glances at my sources, and attempts to disect logically my perspective. And he respects the idea that I have a differing perspective based on my experiences, sources and biases.
Another long time friend, (no longer part of the tribe) was a fellow Marine (same unit in the early 80s, and we're both from Detroit) who went to school to become a ... teacher. In his world-view, I'm simply stupid for my belief that our current involvement in Iraq is an unfortunate extension of unfinished business, and a necessary struggle post 9/11. Stupid - no argument, no logic, I'm a moron. This from a guy who believes that the US Constitution was "stolen" from the Iriquois nation, and who now teaches social studies (!) at an inner city school at the 7th and 8th grade level. There's much to be said of that, I'm sure....
Ask this person to provide any type of evidence for any of his ideas, and one could expect an answer to the effect that: "I'm a teacher, and I study this type of thing, so that's why you should believe what I'm telling you." Seriously, with a straight face.
I don't mind debating with one of differing mind, as long as he knows his terms and definitions ("what's the difference between the debt and the deficit?"), in fact, I enjoy the mental stimulation in being forced to support my argument. But I can't stomache know-it-all know-nothings whose primary arrow in his debate quivver is, "You're stupid, that's why we disagree."
By the way, there are also two types of conservatives....
 
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its just an opinion,if he or she were a true friend then it wouldnt be a big problem to understand that everybody doesnt share the same views.

sure anti-US demonstrators irrate me but in my opinion,it only shows their ignorance as they wont let it go and are willing to hold onto it-but thats just my opinion,theyre not anyone nohow.My father is a big clinton nut and he knows that bringing up anything in regards to that subject will get a debate going so he no longer does this.same can be said on other friends who liked other presidents both now and in the past.I have friends who are absolutly repulsive in their insistance of facts and I make no effort to discus anything with them,why fuel it?one cant change their mind, but, perhaps add a bit of food for thought.


a good friend once told me that "above politics,you have friends".he continued with "above friends..you have your family".I suppose its true that there are 2 kinds of friends..those that are like family and those that seem to be just pals.dont sweat it.
 
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