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I've used it several times to describe what the Mexicans refer to whites as, but I've heard nothing
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I said something about it, especially considering that you were using the term to describe an arrest. Imagine if a defense attorney in a case in which you were a witness found out you were referring to the Mexicans you arrested for crimes as "wet backs." Not real smart. Look at what happened to Mark Furhman. Right or wrong, that's the way it is, and if I were a cop...you can bet I wouldn't be using words that are thought of by most people to be ethnic slurs on the internet.

I'm offended by the term because it is so clearly racist in connotation and history that your personal idea of it won't save the term for polite company. I would not be caught dead saying "wet back" or any other word associated with racism around my mother, I know that. I'm sure there are some folks who think the "n word" has nothing to do with black people, but that sure as heck doesn't make it appropriate for polite company.
 
good point Jungle Work:

grin·go Audio pronunciation of "gringo" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grngg)
n. Offensive Slang pl. grin·gos

Used as a disparaging term for a foreigner in Latin America, especially an American or English person.
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wet·back Audio pronunciation of "wetback" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wtbk)
n. Offensive Slang

Used as a disparaging term for a Mexican, especially a laborer who crosses the U.S. border illegally.
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fag1 Audio pronunciation of "fag" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fg)
n.

1.
1. A student at a British public school who is required to perform menial tasks for a student in a higher class.
2. A drudge.
2. Chiefly British. Fatiguing or tedious work; drudgery.
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guess it just matters which side of the fence you're on
 
Jungle Work,

I don't care to police your speech outside of this board, or that of others. I don't care what kind of names are used by what kind of ethnic group to describe other groups.

What you call illegals is irrelevant in the context of this discussion. What others call white people is equally irrelevant. What's relevant is that we don't use these epitaphs here in Rich's virtual living room. I don't think it's too hard to wrap one's mind around this concept.
 
Marko,
since we are discussing PC on the TFL, what word or words would you prefer we use to describe folks who illegally cross the Rio Grande?

Jugnle Work
 
Easy, J-Work.

Take it easy, big guy.

Beleive me, there are plenty of people who understand where you are coming from, and there are also plenty who don't.
I've heard the same term, used in the same context, several times before.

However, none of it has a place on what is, for all intents and purposes, a public board.
Firearms owners are on a thin wire in many locations as it is. All it takes is one anti-gun busybody to read things (like this entire thread) to feed new ammo to the anti-gun movement.

"Oh my (preferred religious diety)! All gun owners are racists!"

No matter what justification or reasoning we apply to it, others who are not there to hear it from the horse's mouth are going to mis-interperet it. I can almost gaurantee that.

So, no matter how you phrase it, the end result has nothing to do with racism, illegal immigration, or even manners (sorry Marko :o ).

In the end, what we are discussing is simply the importance of professional conversation among a group of people who are trying to shed a collective "bad rap".


Jungle Work, most of your posts indicate that you are an intelligent, responsible individual, like the rest of us.
I hear you, and I understand.
Just don't get riled up about it. There are more important things to worry about than words on a screen (like new toys for your Glock :D )
 
38spl,
Heck, nobody is gettin' riled up. Just a friendly discussion on PC.

Shootin' student,
I would not hesitate to truthfully answer questions about using that term in court. The terms I use doesn't make a criminal any less guilty. In addition I always tell the truth about violating international agreements between the US and Mexico that I nor my department never signed. I always tell the truth, unlike the information provided below.

http://www.ccadp.org/miguelangelflores.htm

a heartbreaking story, is it not, they just forget to say much about the young girl this "undocumented migrant worker" who illegally entered this country kidnapped, raped and brutally murdered. Beats lawn mower stealin' anyday.

George got that line from me, except that I used my departments name.

Jungle Work
 
Jungle Work: I agree, a discussion on PC and no more.


On the article...of course that man deserves to pay for his crime. But I don't think that justifies a judgment about his race, or about all illegal immigrants. I don't think it has anything to do with international conventions either. He's a criminal who murdered, he deserves to pay. If he's an American citizen of any descent, I'm not going to feel any more or less sympathy for him because of it.
 
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That worked out perfectly. Its a good thing it was unintentional. I REALLY hate people who cuss in front of little kids. I have to commend you on handling it well. What would you have done if he swung at you? Just curious
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Hopefully ducked. :D

Seriously tho, I dunno. I'd like to think I would have yelled something like, "leave me alone", or "I don't want any trouble" or something along those lines REALLY, REALLY LOUD, no matter if it made me look like a big sissy or not. That way, if it did escalate father, hopefully all that witnesses would remember is hearing me scream for help like a girl, and seeing this guy trying to hurt me in front of kids. Who cares if it makes me look like a wimp? Nobody got killed, and the kids weren't further traumatized by serious violent right in front of them. But if he HAD tried to hurt me, I WOULD have defended myself as violently as possible, yelling at him to leave me alone all the while. I would have no choice at this point....what if he knocked me out and got his hands on my gun? Oh well, glad it turned out like it did....
 
Meek And Mild....

There is no wish to flog this dead horse any more?

Lol...God my latin is rusty.

Aspicio EGO saw a stilus equus quod vir quisnam sat in him eram nex quod abyssus secuutus per him
 
Meek and Mild

heheh there are soooo many latin words that you can almost figure out what they are, because they are so close to the english ones.

I always had trouble being too descriptive with it. Adding words that didn't really need to be there to get the meaning across. :)
 
I REALLY hate people who cuss in front of little kids.
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Why do we care, when we would defend lack of refinement and decency standards when they are older? Is it just an excuse to exercise power over children and other people around them? If it is so important, why shouldn't there be some followup in later life? If what children are taught is so correct, then movies and television are evil, not freedoms. When the subject of morality and decency comes up, it would seem that most of what one hears when defending standards is how wrong they are? What is that?

It used to be that a barbarian had difficulty finding a place to be scum in peace. I believe the tables have been turned when a vote for decency and refinement is shouted down. While less impressionable, adults are influenced positively or negatively just as certainly as children are.

What legal standing does a parent have to confront someone talking trash around their children, when a violent response is definitely a possibility? Is a possible death worth the premise? I would think that the option of a retreat might come up.
 
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What legal standing does a parent have to confront someone talking trash around their children, when a violent response is definitely a possibility? Is a possible death worth the premise? I would think that the option of a retreat might come up.
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What legal standing? Maybe none. But I do have a moral and legal responsibility to raise my children as decent, respectful, members of society that have a little integrity. The point is, the children cannot stand up for themselves. My children go to sunday school regularly, and don't like that kind of talk. The two older girls, 8 and 10, have enough common sense to know that that type of language around kids is uncalled for. And if it offends my children, I have a right and responsibility as a parent to do something. And if dude wants to get stupid because someone points out that he is a rude, obnoxious ass, then it just further shows his base ignorance. Common sense and respect should keep any adult from doing certain things around kids. Would you engage in sexual acts around your children? Or let other people? Why not? They are gonna see it soon enough anyway right? If you are gonna talk about it explicitly in front of them, you might as well right?

That is one of the major problems with society today. "Let everyone do anything they want, any time they want, as long as it doesn't bother me. Who am I to stop them?" Well, you can blind yourself with your wool if you want, but the fact remains that morality, decency, respect, and integrity are gone, and the world is a truely sorry place without them.....
 
Well my potty mouth was fine until I joined the Navy! :) Funny you mention that though Real Gun, to this day (I'm 31) I still don't swear in front of my parents. Almost like hitting a switch, it's pretty rare (even when I'm pissed) that I swear in front of children for that matter.

What does legal standing have to do with confronting a person who is swearing in front of a bunch of kids? You don't do that to start up a lawsuit or a fight! As it has been noted before in various threads, people typically get flustered and surprised when someone stands up to them, and will back down (Derius' case notwithstanding). Besides, what kind of role model do you make if you don't make an effort in front of your kids?
 
What does legal standing have to do with confronting a person who is swearing in front of a bunch of kids?
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Doesn't your question lack insight among a group of gun people who need to answer the question "What does legal standing have to do with confronting a person who appears to be trying to kill you? " When it's over, worst case scenario, there will be questions, most of them about legal issues. Is the outcome justified? Never mind what seems intuitively fair or appropriate.
 
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since we are discussing PC on the TFL, what word or words would you prefer we use to describe folks who illegally cross the Rio Grande?
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How about "illegal immigrants?" What's wrong with that term?

The first post in this thread looks to me like 9mmSnoopy is projecting his own state of mind onto others. I wonder if he's starting to realize his attitudes aren't as widespread as he thought.
 
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since we are discussing PC on the TFL, what word or words would you prefer we use to describe folks who illegally cross the Rio Grande?
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How about "International Criminals?" I happen to think the truth fits most occasions.

Pops
 
if not having sympathy for people who enter this country illegally makes me a bad person, then i guess im just a bad person. i did edit the phrase from "wetback" to "illegal alien" the point of my original post was simply this....... alot of those people who were offended by "wetback" probably wouldnt have a problem with calling someone a "fag" its the old double standard. whats the difference in "wetback" and "gringo"? some people are just too sensitive. and i am gay myself, so i know all about being called names.


and before everyone jumps all over me about it. yes my post about what happened to me at the airport with customs stated that it was myself and my wife, well it wasnt. it was myself and my boyfriend.


here comes the hatemail.................
 
"A quick use of the TFL search function reveals that the term "fag" is almost never used in a pejorative sense about groups of people on this board. I wonder how you got that impression?"


i got that impression from all of the derogatory names and terms that i have heard used all my life to decribe gay people, people who would never use the N word to describe a black man have no problem calling a gay man a
"fag", hell ive heard my own brother say it(very hurtful to say the least)


i certainly hope your right, that the folks on this board are alittle more enlightened and above all that.

i do apologize for using "wetback". i am NOT a racist, not by a long shot, i have had 2 relationships, one was with a hispanic guy and the other was/is an asian man. having said that, i still dont care for people who are sneaking into the country, just as i dont care for other criminals, rapists,thiefs,burglars,etc.........

i hope i have clarified my point of view, and if anyone was offended, i do apologize. im not here to make enemys!
 
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