yes i did edit my posting in which i referred to illegal immigrants from mexico as "wetbacks" as it seemed to offend a small group of TFL'ers, ok no problem. but i wonder how many of those folks who were offended by that term have no problem referring to gays as "fags"? you cant have your cake and eat it too.
political correctness on TFL
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Marko Kloos
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There is a growing tendency among conservative-minded folks to mistake manners for "political correctness". It has evolved to the point where "P.C.!" has become the Right's version of the Left's universal accusation of "racism".
Not tolerating name-calling in someone else's living room is not Political Correctness, it's good manners. In that light, neither "wetback" nor "fag" are appropriate terms in this particular living room.
Not tolerating name-calling in someone else's living room is not Political Correctness, it's good manners. In that light, neither "wetback" nor "fag" are appropriate terms in this particular living room.
Very well said, Marko.
One of the things that's nice about posting on 'net boards is that, no matter how fast we type, we always have a moment to calm down and reel in our tongues before posting statements of dubious civility (a moment that I've often regretted not taking in real life!
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Since it's also true that our conduct/language on these boards is out there for the entire world to see for as long as someone maintains the server files, it really does behoove us to take that moment and tone down anything that would be impolite.
Civility is not "political correctness;" it's decent behavior, and TFL is a wonderful oasis of civility in an increasingly barbaric world.
One of the things that's nice about posting on 'net boards is that, no matter how fast we type, we always have a moment to calm down and reel in our tongues before posting statements of dubious civility (a moment that I've often regretted not taking in real life!
). Since it's also true that our conduct/language on these boards is out there for the entire world to see for as long as someone maintains the server files, it really does behoove us to take that moment and tone down anything that would be impolite.
Civility is not "political correctness;" it's decent behavior, and TFL is a wonderful oasis of civility in an increasingly barbaric world.
carolinaflats
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What does this have to do with firearms in any way. I say keep your biases to yourself. Did you ever consider the fact there may be some mexican-americans here that are interested in guns just like you? That provide a voice for firearms support just like you? This is not the place to sound off against people you don't like because of where they are from or how they live their lives, unless of course it's firearms related. Comments like yours give a bad name to this site.
ever have a "negligent discharge" with your mouth?
one of the MANY things i enjoy about TFL is the lack of derogatory and profane language. i guess that most responsible gun owners are also responsible with their words. if throwing around those kinds of words is your thing, there are PLENTY of OTHER forums that will accomodate you.
contrary to popular belief your words, spoken, typed, read aloud, whatever do play in the cause-effect field. negative words begin with negative thoughts that have negative effects.
the keyboard is mightier than the firearm
one of the MANY things i enjoy about TFL is the lack of derogatory and profane language. i guess that most responsible gun owners are also responsible with their words. if throwing around those kinds of words is your thing, there are PLENTY of OTHER forums that will accomodate you.
contrary to popular belief your words, spoken, typed, read aloud, whatever do play in the cause-effect field. negative words begin with negative thoughts that have negative effects.
the keyboard is mightier than the firearm
snacktrack
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Thank you, you just backed my "does rap cause violence?" thread
Mike Irwin
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"There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here, you are all equally worthless."
Sgt. Hartman, Full Metal Jacket
Using racial pejoratives to refer to another group of individuals says a whole lot about the character of the speaker -- none of it good.
Sgt. Hartman, Full Metal Jacket
Using racial pejoratives to refer to another group of individuals says a whole lot about the character of the speaker -- none of it good.
XavierBreath
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Secure people have no reason to demean others.
snacktrack
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Xavier Breath
I have watched your posts and I wanted to commend you on being a stand up, level headed guy. Thats all. I wish there were more like you on here.
I have watched your posts and I wanted to commend you on being a stand up, level headed guy. Thats all. I wish there were more like you on here.
MeekAndMild
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Well, this is a new event. For the first time in the last 2000 posts I find myself agreeing with Marko, at least the last half of his post. 
Now if he could just get it through his head that conservativism does not necessarily equal "the Right". Its just really a matter of not pigeonholing people.
Now if he could just get it through his head that conservativism does not necessarily equal "the Right". Its just really a matter of not pigeonholing people.
If it makes you feel better, you can refer to me as a fag if you wish . (and yes, I am gay).
Just that some stereotypes or words do confer a certain, well, view of the person using them.
Your posts and your words would be read more if you don't use such terms and just get to the point that you wish to make. The goal is to not make as many enemies as you can but to learn as much as you can. Making enemies of people is easy, making friends is harder.
In my PM to you, I mentioned that I understood what you were angry about, that I fully expected you to be as pissed as you were, yet when you put in the remarks attributting to a specific race, it turned me off on the post.
I think that is what most here are saying.
Wayne
. (and yes, I am gay).Just that some stereotypes or words do confer a certain, well, view of the person using them.
Your posts and your words would be read more if you don't use such terms and just get to the point that you wish to make. The goal is to not make as many enemies as you can but to learn as much as you can. Making enemies of people is easy, making friends is harder.
In my PM to you, I mentioned that I understood what you were angry about, that I fully expected you to be as pissed as you were, yet when you put in the remarks attributting to a specific race, it turned me off on the post.
I think that is what most here are saying.
Wayne
Name calling when we use it in a social gathering spot of American's and citizens from other countries has NO place in 2005. How you speak in your own place or confined area that no chance of offending others is all together different and to some extent your own right. I don't think the word political correctness has anything to do with it either.... It is a laps of reasonable manners....... Sorry if it seems we are hard on you but your wrong when using slurs........it won't drive your point home just drive some readers away with misunderstanding and surprise.... just my .02
Marko...... I agree with your second paragraph...... I don't with your first....... and what are the (generalized) conns of the libertarian party?....... do you follow me on this one?
Marko...... I agree with your second paragraph...... I don't with your first....... and what are the (generalized) conns of the libertarian party?....... do you follow me on this one?
Now while I have known to be a bit sarcastic, and sometimes take a few 'shots' at folks here and there, i try to never resort to name calling. In my humble opinion it shows low intelligence. Why call someone a racial slur, or other base term if you MUST be insulting? Its MUCH more fun to turn their own words against them if you simply MUST p*ss them off. 
You kow, it's getting to the point where anytime I hear the words, "Political Correctness" coming out of someone's mouth, I immediately mentally assign them to the 'robot parrot' file and proceed to ignore anything else they have to say.
LawDog: "Hey, neighbor, don't cuss in front of my nieces."
Robot Parrot: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!! OH, GOD, MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!! FASCISM!! BLOODY FASCISM!!"
LawDog: "Unknot your knickers, my nieces are four years old and they don't need to hear sailor-talk, particularly not on my own property."
Robot Parrot: "YOU AND YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ARE THE DEATH-KNELL OF THIS COUNTRY!! PAAAA-TRIOTS DIED SO THAT I CAN SAY **** YOU, YOU ****** ***** ***!!"
LawDog: "You listen to me, you two-bit, four-flushing, dirty, rotten, twinkle-toed, lily-livered, mono-synaptic, dirt-stupid, mealy-mouthed, inbred dacoit with delusions of grandeur, reach down, take a firm grip on both ears, and tug until you see daylight ... Thomas Jefferson would have blown your fool head off if you had used that language to him on his own property. Now get out of MY BACK YARD before I nail your tripes to a tree and chase you around it."
*sigh*
I am getting better, though. Honest.
LawDog
LawDog: "Hey, neighbor, don't cuss in front of my nieces."
Robot Parrot: "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!! OH, GOD, MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!! FASCISM!! BLOODY FASCISM!!"
LawDog: "Unknot your knickers, my nieces are four years old and they don't need to hear sailor-talk, particularly not on my own property."
Robot Parrot: "YOU AND YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ARE THE DEATH-KNELL OF THIS COUNTRY!! PAAAA-TRIOTS DIED SO THAT I CAN SAY **** YOU, YOU ****** ***** ***!!"
LawDog: "You listen to me, you two-bit, four-flushing, dirty, rotten, twinkle-toed, lily-livered, mono-synaptic, dirt-stupid, mealy-mouthed, inbred dacoit with delusions of grandeur, reach down, take a firm grip on both ears, and tug until you see daylight ... Thomas Jefferson would have blown your fool head off if you had used that language to him on his own property. Now get out of MY BACK YARD before I nail your tripes to a tree and chase you around it."
*sigh*
I am getting better, though. Honest.
LawDog
Marko Kloos
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Racial slurs are stupid anyway, PC or not.
I always thought it as the height of stupidity to hate someone for the color of their skin or their ethnic origin, when you can take the time to get to know them...and then hate them for a valid reason.
I always thought it as the height of stupidity to hate someone for the color of their skin or their ethnic origin, when you can take the time to get to know them...and then hate them for a valid reason.
Man, I nearly got in a fistfight awhile back with some jerkoff over much the same thing. We were sitting in an enclosed McDonalds play area, where the kids take off their shoes and crawl through those big hamster things, and there were probably 5-6 really little kids in there, (besides my 3) between the impressionable ages of 4-8. This 'tough guy' comes in with this cracked out looking girlfriend, and a 4 or so year old. He's your typical tough guy with his "thats right, we bad' richard pryor swagger. 
Anyway, it is an enclosed area inside the Mickey D's, and he starts with the sewer mouth. Loud. And I mean literally every other word was F this or F that, and bl*wJ*b, and p*ssy, and just plain filth. My 7 year old daughter hears all this (who can help it) and comes over REAL wide eyed, and says "daddy, that man has a potty mouth." So I took this crap for about 5 minutes, and I got up and walked over. In a very polite way, I said something like, "Excuse me. Hey, would you mind kind of toning down the cussing? This room is full of little kids." I SWEAR I WAS NICE AS PIE.
Dude blows up like a balloon, and gets all loud and snotty. He throws down his food and jumps up, throwing out his arms, being all loud mouthed, and starts to come towards me. I said, "Look bud, I don't want no trouble, just asked if you could watch your mouth in front of all these kids."
I WANTED to splatter him back into his food, but my kids were watching.
As he took another step towards me, I was backing away, and his face suddenly goes white as a sheet. He stops, stutters something like "sorry man, I'm just stupid, sorry", and starts backing away. It was weird, so I glanced down, and my sweatshirt had rode up over my firearm, and the grip and bottom of mag were visible. I quickly pulled the shirt over and gave him one of those embarrassed looks, and went back to my seat. He got out of there so fast he left his food sit.
Later in the car I laughed till I throught I was gonna bust. Damn fake-@ss tough guys....
Anyway, it is an enclosed area inside the Mickey D's, and he starts with the sewer mouth. Loud. And I mean literally every other word was F this or F that, and bl*wJ*b, and p*ssy, and just plain filth. My 7 year old daughter hears all this (who can help it) and comes over REAL wide eyed, and says "daddy, that man has a potty mouth." So I took this crap for about 5 minutes, and I got up and walked over. In a very polite way, I said something like, "Excuse me. Hey, would you mind kind of toning down the cussing? This room is full of little kids." I SWEAR I WAS NICE AS PIE.
Dude blows up like a balloon, and gets all loud and snotty. He throws down his food and jumps up, throwing out his arms, being all loud mouthed, and starts to come towards me. I said, "Look bud, I don't want no trouble, just asked if you could watch your mouth in front of all these kids."
I WANTED to splatter him back into his food, but my kids were watching.
As he took another step towards me, I was backing away, and his face suddenly goes white as a sheet. He stops, stutters something like "sorry man, I'm just stupid, sorry", and starts backing away. It was weird, so I glanced down, and my sweatshirt had rode up over my firearm, and the grip and bottom of mag were visible. I quickly pulled the shirt over and gave him one of those embarrassed looks, and went back to my seat. He got out of there so fast he left his food sit.
Later in the car I laughed till I throught I was gonna bust. Damn fake-@ss tough guys....
snacktrack
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what a great story Derius!
That worked out perfectly. Its a good thing it was unintentional. I REALLY hate people who cuss in front of little kids. I have to commend you on handling it well. What would you have done if he swung at you? Just curious.
That worked out perfectly. Its a good thing it was unintentional. I REALLY hate people who cuss in front of little kids. I have to commend you on handling it well. What would you have done if he swung at you? Just curious.
Jungle Work
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I wonder how many of you dudes would pitch a hissy is somebody on this board used the word "GRINGO". I've used it several times to describe what the Mexicans refer to whites as, but I've heard nothing. Do you know that I'm not Hispanic or not? Or is your outrage just against whites?
Where I live the term "wetback" is used to describe criminals who cross the Rio Grande illegally. The term knows no Racial Make Up, as I have arrested Wetbacks who are German Nationals. If you want to make it a racist term, that's your problem. I understand that among the Criminal Mexican Community the terms "Illegal Aliens and Undocumented Aliens" are also considered Racist.
Me, I consider any person of any persausion who enters this country to be a Criminal as they commit a criminal act in the illegal entry.
Some of you gentlemen need to get a grip.
Jungle Work
Where I live the term "wetback" is used to describe criminals who cross the Rio Grande illegally. The term knows no Racial Make Up, as I have arrested Wetbacks who are German Nationals. If you want to make it a racist term, that's your problem. I understand that among the Criminal Mexican Community the terms "Illegal Aliens and Undocumented Aliens" are also considered Racist.
Me, I consider any person of any persausion who enters this country to be a Criminal as they commit a criminal act in the illegal entry.
Some of you gentlemen need to get a grip.
Jungle Work
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