Police point weapons at VA Tech students.

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V8,

"Taking aim at boys and girls" is waaay different then covering potential threats to ensure my safety. With all your yelling and posturing, i wouldn't want to work for you anyway! :)

Again - are there pics available to see what you saw? How bad the "aiming" was?
 
rusty said:
When you are dealing with a murderer and cop killer you are dealing with one of the lowest forms of human life and you need to be ready.
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The point is, the cops were not "dealing with a murderer and cop killer" -- they were dealing with innocent members of the public (bystanders). Sure, if you spot the murderer, keep your guns trained on him. But when sorting through innocents, you don't need to be pointing a chambered weapon at them! :mad:

By the way, HAS the guy been apprehended? Did this nearly psychotic, reckless manhunt actually result in the capture of the suspect?? :mad:

For all the reckless gun-pointing at college students so that the cops can go home at the end of their shift, DID IT BRING ABOUT THE DESIRED RESULT? WAS THE RISK WORTH IT?


I also had a police officer point a shotgun at me when I was a teenager. The situation wasn't what he thought it was and we weren't doing anything wrong, but he didn't know that at the time. It was scarry at the time but after it was over I didn't have a problem with his actions.
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You don't think he could have addressed you and assessed the situation with the muzzle of the shotgun not quite pointed AT you?

Suuuure. :rolleyes:

-azurefly
 
Azure,

Already done - too much aggravation and not enough pay.

That aside, i do see your point... would love to have more specifics.
 
v8,

Thanks for the link...man that is pretty hariy! Is his finger on the trigger or what?

Azure,

They caught him hiding in a briarpatch about 150ft(yds?) from where the cop was shot on campus.
 
"Thanks for the link...man that is pretty hariy! Is his finger on the trigger or what?"


The video was better. They showed cops going from car to car at a roadblock, some of them with weapons trained the whole time (most officers thank God were smart enough to keep their weapons aimed at the ground even while being very cautious). Then the news showed two guys with AR15's aiming them at EVERY SINGLE PERSON, MALE OR FEMALE, that exited a class building.
 
Alright, I retract what I said then - THAT IS a bit much - there are ways to be safe(r) for BOTH parties. I do not think I would like a face full of AR, and I, as you can tell, tend to be more sympathetic to the cops.

Thinking...with things like Columbine - where supposedly cops remain outside even though shots are being fired (assume innocents are getting shot), are the cops right to stay out side, or do/should they risk themselves and go in? What is more important? When I was LE, I/we would have went in (though we don't have SWAT etc.) as part of my job. My B-I-L is local PD here, and they went in when some kook was shooting up an office next door. What gives?

(not to steal this thread)
 
Edit: I assume you'll tell me he's not aiming his weapon, or something, right?
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Actually I’ll tell you that he is aiming his weapon at an empty car. No innocents in danger there, but of course the cop might be in danger. Seriously dude, take your blinders off and think for a moment. You’re so dead-set on the cop being in the wrong that you immediately see a picture of a cop pointing a gun at a car as a picture of a cop pointing a gun at an innocent individual.
 
The headrests have holes in them. You can see through the rear seat headrest through the front seat headrest. The caption says they were searching cars in a parking lot. Doesn't look like theres any driver in the vehicle to me.
 
I spent a half hour searching Fox's site for a video. I found two, neither are the one I saw on TV. I'm not even sure I was watching Fox. I feel like if I found it, this situation would be much easier to demonstrate.
 
shield20 said:
"Taking aim at boys and girls" is waaay different then covering potential threats to ensure my safety.
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But, that's what they were doing,
and that's why they were doing it.


-azurefly
 
If I were one of the students being aimed at for a head shot as I exited a building,
I would love to have the presence of mind to pause and look an officer in the eye and loudly say (so that others could clearly hear and remember):

"Are you nuts?! Is this what they've trained you about firearm safety?
Never heard the rule, 'NEVER point your firearm at anything you are not prepared to destroy'?!"

Yeah, it would probably get you taken to the floor, but with witnesses around to say, "Yeah, I guess after he said that I realized how wrong it felt to be the people they were supposed to be protecting, but we were the ones they were aiming live weapons at..." perhaps you'd have a sweet windfall in the form of a successful lawsuit. :D

Seriously, though, think how sweet it would have been if someone who had been subjected to this dangerous treatment had publicly chastised the cops as it was being done. It would have been great if it got on the news that the "protected" students were objecting to having firearms pointed at their heads.


-azurefly
 
azurefly said:
'NEVER point your firearm at anything you are not prepared to destroy'?!"
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breacherup said:
Unless he IS prepared to destroy you
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Is that something these cops were reasonable in believing of each and every person at whom they aimed their guns?

Or is it yet another breach of gun safety rules: "Be sure of your target"

ONE out of HUNDREDS was "prepared to destroy" these cops. ONE out of HUNDREDS is the only one who should have had a gun pointed in his face.


-azurefly
 
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