Police beating of suspect" in Philly cop shooting

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Sitting here watching Hannity & Colmes on Fox News. Ugly video of a gang of cops (8-10) beating a suspect in the shooting of an LEO.

My quick impression - the guy deserves it, AND it's totally unacceptable behavior by the LEOs.

A follow up - they later said one cop's thumb was slightly wounded.

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I think the key word here is SUSPECT.

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If indeed the "suspect" was the perp. then he got what he deserved. Shoulda "waffled" him too. Jail is no longer a punishment but a hotel,sans mint on the pillow. All Jails and prisons should be run like my pal Joe Arpaio's in Maricopa county in arizona. i.e; No smokes, no weights, pink underware, green bologna, tent city in the desert with 10 hours of tumbleweed duty, no sugar, oatmeal and eggbeaters for breakfast and spam suprize for dinner. Lawbreakers should have the right to a fair trial, this is just as constitutionally correct as the right to keep and bear arms. Once found guilty, you should be subjected to the worst possible conditions available to man without killing him. You see those of us who OBEY THE LAW do no not need to worry about such things. F#$# the ACLU, we are talking bad actors here. By the way Sherriff Arpaio has been sued numerous times by those dung brains many times and won.
 
By the way if the "suspect" was not the perp the LEO's should be punished just as severely as anyone else. I do not condone brutality, Justice I do.
 
Let me get this straight. When the cops step on your toes, they're jack-booted thugs. When they beat the crap out of some scum sucking low-life because they "suspect" he did one of their own, it's Ok.
 
This is why, though I agree with the theory of death penalty, I distrust the people who implement it. I look at the worst (and likely) way to implement it and shudder. Same for the beatings: they evoke distinctly Russian memories and place the perpetrators in quite a few mental crosshairs.
 
The piece of the story that you are all missing is the perp shot the cop, and then fled in the cop's car[\b].

I do not think cops are exempt from brutality laws, but real world being what it is, one expects it. The Jack Booted Thug is the man who steps on your toe and then sticks his badge in your face. Does this apply, maybe, but I would probably do the same if someone went after my family.
 
We preach higher moral standards and then say when the police break them, it is justifiable if he is a "perp".

I've heard folks say that Waco was justified as the Davidians shot some cops and were nuts anyway. Tough, the kids burned.

If you talk the "Rights" talk, then you walk it.

Unless, there was some physical reason to do this - like he still had a gun that he wouldn't relinquish or he was biting the ankle of someone with the vampiric death chomp - the agents of government have to hold to high conductstandards than the monkey brain tribal stomp.

I wish though that for once a mayor or police chief would simply say that we will investigate the incident and report on our findings. Instead - they also give some mealy mouthed rambling BS.

I don't expect in the real world that one forgets all training and has a fit.

In gun classes, we train not to be emotional idiots. If I was in a FOF class and some criminal shot a partner and then after I had him down, I stomped him repeatedly - I would fail the class.
 
I just saw it again.This are the points I think are valid.
1-The bust will turn sour because of the beating.
2-This will cost the taxpayers a mill or better in the excesive force lawsuit
3-Who made the LEO's judge,jury and executioner.They would have continued if not stoped by two late arriveing leo's with some brains.He is in the hospital in bad shape with injureies to abdomine and both arms.
4-Every time this happens people lose more confidence in police.That hurts them and everone else.It allso makes the system break down faster.
My opinion only

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Saw the video too. Putting the boot to a suspect can be legitimate if he's going for a weapon on the ground, at least until the officers get a hold of his arms.

In this case however, it clearly looks that they're working him over, it lasts way too long. The video really displays a lack of professionalism and heads are going to role in the department.

Also this reenforces the stereotype that in the past suspects accused of shooting or killing cops would never make it to trial. I can undestand how emotions get riled but these departments should really stress professionalism among the officers.
 
The police's job is to not to protect and serve the public, it's get the hell out of my way or you'll get some too. Did I say that, sorry. I would have probably join in too if they would have let me, don't like car jackers or cop or civilian shooters that would be a victim of such perps. But here again you would have had to be there to understand the perp rage. But that don't make it any more justifiable in the eyes of justice. Remember...the women holding the scales of justice...she' deaf, dumb and blind.

Jim
 
If a citizen in Philidelphia does not have the right to defend property with deadly force, then the LEOs should not have that right.

The thirty or so rounds fired by the police prior to the suspect capturing the patrol car look to me like totally unjustifiable shooting on the part of the LEOs.

Then beating him after getting their car back is even more crap.

Attempted murder by LEOs that obviously not only can't shoot but have a huge lack of respect for the law.

The man is a suspect untill tried and found guilty in a court of law. The uniformed policeman is neither Judge nor jury in this country.

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When I saw the video I noticed one of the officers outside the pile take his right foot, draw it back, and kick into the area. I assume he may go ahead and pack his bags and start looking into another line of work, I fully understand that it must be hard to control your rage when you think, 'hey, that could have been me that got shot, and that was my friend'. It's obvious that it must be hard to control yourself in that situation as they has to have heard the chopper above and they were out in the open street. I know these beatings happen in jails all the time and at least there, they don't have cameras controlled by the media.

As for this guy being the "suspect", they pulled him out of that police car first, I think that rules out any other possible "suspects" as the shooter.
 
BTW I am in NO way condoning what they did. I completely disagree with that all together. A court should decide his punishment, no matter how weak that punishment will be.
 
The cops showed a complete lack of respect for the law they have sworn to uphold. JBTs, indeed.

The rage is understandable, but the actions are not excusable.

pax

"It is a besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which masses of men exhibit their tyranny." -- James Fenimore Cooper
 
have yet to see the video, but have seen lots of stills. The Cops dog piling on the suspect need to be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were defending themsleves. If their only excuse is that they were pissed they should all be hung out to dry. With each passing day many of the LEO forces throughout the country manage to prove themselves to be no better than the scum they are supposedly protecting us from. It is people like these and the administratios that cover for them that we are supposed to willingly and totally entrust with our lives???
 
Watching the video several times it looks to me as there were to many police in to confined a space and everyone was trying to help him up at the same time and in a different direction this as can be seen will not work then when the excess tried to get out of each others way at the same time their legs and everything got all tangled up one even fell over the car.I could be mistaken I'll have to watch again to see what ya'll did.. :rolleyes: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimR:
Sitting here watching Hannity & Colmes on Fox News. Ugly video of a gang of cops (8-10) beating a suspect in the shooting of an LEO.

My quick impression - the guy deserves it, AND it's totally unacceptable behavior by the LEOs.

A follow up - they later said one cop's thumb was slightly wounded.

[This message has been edited by JimR (edited July 13, 2000).][/quote]
 
So...you are walking by...and see 8-10 cops beating the crap out of someone.You have no idea what has just gone down. All you see is a big pile of police just wailing on someone.
What do you do?
1. Call 911.
2. Wade in and start pulling the police off of this complete stranger.
3.Do nothing and walk away...knowing you have to look yourself in the mirror everyday.
 
Basic survival.Run like h**l and hope no one saw you.
Any other action could see you in a grave or jail.

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