Pocket Semi Recommendations
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Super Blackhawk
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No break in
Good reads here..
My take has always been n proven correct.
No top shelf quality gun ever requires a break in period.
I only buy the high quality brands n never have I had to use the excuse
about a break in period...
And as for a CC handgun that must be absolutely reliable, I'm not going to carry
Something that had to be "broken in". Reliability right out of the box always means High end quality not excuses.
Good reads here..
My take has always been n proven correct.
No top shelf quality gun ever requires a break in period.
I only buy the high quality brands n never have I had to use the excuse
about a break in period...
And as for a CC handgun that must be absolutely reliable, I'm not going to carry
Something that had to be "broken in". Reliability right out of the box always means High end quality not excuses.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Moderator
Beretta Pico 380 acp
Any experiences with reliability issues with the Beretta Pico 380 acp?
According to the Internet that gun does not have a lot good Reviews. Mostly due to americans don't seem to like the european style Magazine release (Walther type mag release).
One have to remember Beretta did that on purpose as stated in their Manual/Website in order to not accidentally loose the mag, maintain Slim Profile and they inclusive Show how to operate that mag release (is not supposed to be an drop free Magazine so no combat reloads). For releasing the Magazine you slide down the mag release and with the same move downward slide out the Magazine.
Other downer for american consumers seems to be the high bore axis of the gun. But that again may be on purpose since high bore axis guns Transfer the recoil more upwards "into the air" instead directly into the shooters Hand (see the Chiappa Rhino). Like the plow handle Colt Single Action Army this gun may recoil less due to it's high bore axis and is supposed to rotate in your Hand. Recoil is an issue for such a small gun in an relatively big caliber so some Engineering has to take place to reduce recoil.
Maybe People should make room for an a bit unusual gun. and step out of their comfort Zone.
An pocket/mouse gun anyways is supposed to be shot one Magazine empty and by then the treath is eighter done or the self Defender starts to run away (get's some distance to the treath).
Any experiences with reliability issues with the Beretta Pico 380 acp?
According to the Internet that gun does not have a lot good Reviews. Mostly due to americans don't seem to like the european style Magazine release (Walther type mag release).
One have to remember Beretta did that on purpose as stated in their Manual/Website in order to not accidentally loose the mag, maintain Slim Profile and they inclusive Show how to operate that mag release (is not supposed to be an drop free Magazine so no combat reloads). For releasing the Magazine you slide down the mag release and with the same move downward slide out the Magazine.
Other downer for american consumers seems to be the high bore axis of the gun. But that again may be on purpose since high bore axis guns Transfer the recoil more upwards "into the air" instead directly into the shooters Hand (see the Chiappa Rhino). Like the plow handle Colt Single Action Army this gun may recoil less due to it's high bore axis and is supposed to rotate in your Hand. Recoil is an issue for such a small gun in an relatively big caliber so some Engineering has to take place to reduce recoil.
Maybe People should make room for an a bit unusual gun. and step out of their comfort Zone.
An pocket/mouse gun anyways is supposed to be shot one Magazine empty and by then the treath is eighter done or the self Defender starts to run away (get's some distance to the treath).
Bill DeShivs
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ANY pistol needs a period of use to "normalize" the moving parts.
During this period, the parts don't move as smoothly as they will after breaking in. Of course, the gun should FUNCTION during the break in period, but it will function better afterwards.
As far as "carry rotations"- You should pick A gun, practice with it and use it. Adding multiple guns only confuses matters. Carry that same gun in the same place-all the time.
During this period, the parts don't move as smoothly as they will after breaking in. Of course, the gun should FUNCTION during the break in period, but it will function better afterwards.
As far as "carry rotations"- You should pick A gun, practice with it and use it. Adding multiple guns only confuses matters. Carry that same gun in the same place-all the time.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Moderator
I agree with Michael t,
Novadays Technology is too advanced as that the "break in" period is an cheap excuse for an poorly made, cheaply made, Piece of crap, never working right pistol.
Unfortunatelly economics are paramount today instead Quality.
Most likely an gun needing an break in is not working at all. If it ain't working after the first Magazine, it ain't working at all. At least it will never bee reliable. That is my experience.
For example an Ruger 10/22 never Needs an break in period. Simply because the design is tried and proven over decades.
What Needs break in periods are normally These Heizer one shot 223/7.62x39 pistols and other novelty guns like the Boberg 9mm pistol whose mechanisms Need improvements in order to work reliable. You can check up their unreliability on Youtube.
Novadays Technology is too advanced as that the "break in" period is an cheap excuse for an poorly made, cheaply made, Piece of crap, never working right pistol.
Unfortunatelly economics are paramount today instead Quality.
Most likely an gun needing an break in is not working at all. If it ain't working after the first Magazine, it ain't working at all. At least it will never bee reliable. That is my experience.
For example an Ruger 10/22 never Needs an break in period. Simply because the design is tried and proven over decades.
What Needs break in periods are normally These Heizer one shot 223/7.62x39 pistols and other novelty guns like the Boberg 9mm pistol whose mechanisms Need improvements in order to work reliable. You can check up their unreliability on Youtube.
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Have a Pico
I have one of the first generation Picos and do carry it. The biggest problem was initial stiffness in racking the slide, but it eased up after the first 100 rounds at the range. Balance is excellent, accuracy is very good, and weight is light enough to be a good pocket carry piece.
I should point out that my summer carry piece is a Kel Tec P32. At roughly 6 OZ unloaded and extremely flat, it just disappears in my pocket. My requirements for a pocket carry piece are DAO, hammer fired, flat, light, and easy to fire one handed. As a long time revolver guy, the harder trigger pull of DAO is not a problem for me.
I have one of the first generation Picos and do carry it. The biggest problem was initial stiffness in racking the slide, but it eased up after the first 100 rounds at the range. Balance is excellent, accuracy is very good, and weight is light enough to be a good pocket carry piece.
I should point out that my summer carry piece is a Kel Tec P32. At roughly 6 OZ unloaded and extremely flat, it just disappears in my pocket. My requirements for a pocket carry piece are DAO, hammer fired, flat, light, and easy to fire one handed. As a long time revolver guy, the harder trigger pull of DAO is not a problem for me.
I bought a Kahr CW380 about a whie ago for $250 from PSA. I have over 500 rounds through it in training and with some....~50 - 100 jhp's through it. I have had an ftf and a failure for slide to lock back. I can't remember why I had the ftf, but the slide not locking back was my thumb on the slide stop..
@gbran: If you would like, I would be willing to help you diagnose your issue by pm or maybe you would rather give it to Kahr to try, that would work too.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Moderator
Yes. Most likely the guy with the jam o matic Kahr 380 pistol got a lemon. If it aint working in the first place it aint working at all and is a lemon.
Thanks for sharing about the Beretta Pico 380 dannyb. I wonder how reliable it was for you.
I wanted as well an 32 acp or even 25 acp gun for concealed carry. But for the 25acp I could not find a mold for casting from Lee at all and Lee did not have an specific mold for the 32acp eigther. So I got hooked to the 380acp since I have already various 9mm Luger molds, like the modular Beretta Pico and 380acp is an more potent round and finally did not find quiet the rigth gun for 32acp or they were lots of expensive or had bad reviews on Youtube being jam o matics like the Taurus PT25 (tomcat copy) or were not small enough.
I find having 1 ftf for 50 rounds acceptable. If I reload I can tailor the loads to no malfunctions at all.
Thanks for sharing about the Beretta Pico 380 dannyb. I wonder how reliable it was for you.
I wanted as well an 32 acp or even 25 acp gun for concealed carry. But for the 25acp I could not find a mold for casting from Lee at all and Lee did not have an specific mold for the 32acp eigther. So I got hooked to the 380acp since I have already various 9mm Luger molds, like the modular Beretta Pico and 380acp is an more potent round and finally did not find quiet the rigth gun for 32acp or they were lots of expensive or had bad reviews on Youtube being jam o matics like the Taurus PT25 (tomcat copy) or were not small enough.
I find having 1 ftf for 50 rounds acceptable. If I reload I can tailor the loads to no malfunctions at all.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
Moderator
dannyb,
At 6 oz your 32acp is really not any heavier than my smrtphone which is about 5 oz with it's case.
That is really nice. As far as I know the Beretta Pico 380 weights about 11.5 oz and so is more as 2 times the weight of my cellphone.
As far as an j Frame Revolver as CCW yes that is at least reliable but the size and weight turned me off as well as the Price. An cheap revolver over here will cost well over 1200 US$.
The idea of concealed weapon is that of an cellphone size 25acp pistol like this one (FN M1905, 25 auto)
Origin of Picture (Wikipedia commons I believe): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_M1905
This model of John Moses Browning is about as heavy as the much larger Beretta Pico 380 Auto. This FN M1905 and similar to that time (or the modern Seecamp) I consider the quintessential concealed carry weapon.
At 6 oz your 32acp is really not any heavier than my smrtphone which is about 5 oz with it's case.
That is really nice. As far as I know the Beretta Pico 380 weights about 11.5 oz and so is more as 2 times the weight of my cellphone.
As far as an j Frame Revolver as CCW yes that is at least reliable but the size and weight turned me off as well as the Price. An cheap revolver over here will cost well over 1200 US$.
The idea of concealed weapon is that of an cellphone size 25acp pistol like this one (FN M1905, 25 auto)
Origin of Picture (Wikipedia commons I believe): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_M1905
This model of John Moses Browning is about as heavy as the much larger Beretta Pico 380 Auto. This FN M1905 and similar to that time (or the modern Seecamp) I consider the quintessential concealed carry weapon.