"Pocket Rockets"

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Miss Demeanors

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Here's a good one. Yesterday on the news here in Chicago, they had a story about 'pocket rockets' as they like to call them. (Small guns) They said that in 500 crimes these types of guns were the choice for gangbangers. These are small handguns I am guess maybe those Northernarms (I think that's the name of them) Chicago now wants to ban them and stop the manufacturing of them. Here's the twist.....HANDGUNS are ALREADY illegal in CHICAGO! I wasn't aware that just regular handguns were illegal but these compact ones aren't? They've got this rep out in Washington fighting to ban them. Now is it just me or is this guy making a complete a$$ out of himself saying that? Hmmm lets see, if these guns were found at a crime scene, they are obviously handguns, in CHICAGO, it would seem logical to me that they are ALREADY illegal. That should be like a foot in the mouth for Chicago, they ban handguns completely yet they are trying to ban small handguns. :confused:

On the lighter side, they showed a man who owned a gun shop. He said it right "What point is it to stop manufacturing of these guns, seeing that only effects the law abiding. Handguns are illegal....." They cut him off. Gee think they are hiding up their mistake?

They have some big thing going on later this week to 'get the handguns out of the streets'. Some volunteers are going to 'track down' where illegal guns in Chicago are coming from. Looks like someone got hit with clue bat :D

I just thought that was funny, EVERY night I am seeing stories about someone getting shot in Chicago, and they complain about the guns EVERY single time. It amazes me how stupid people really are. :rolleyes: Has anyone else seen this segment, if so am I missing something here?

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You're absolutely right and they absolutely don't care. The whole point of modern politics is that all the stupid, inane things that haven't worked in the past will work if the right person tries them.

Socialism? Just didn't have the right person in charge. If only Trotsky had been running things.....

Communism? These are VERY DIFFERENT, damn it! But the solution is the same.

Gun bans? If the first one didn't work, it obviously didn't include heavy enough penalties, so we'll layer them so that a crook with a small handgun has broken TWO laws and will get two sentences. That'll teach them, because gangbangers generally only stay in the gang until they've broken one law, after which they start all-night basketball programs and reach out to the community.

By the way, "pocket rockets" is a term gunwriters have been using for awhile now. It's used in the current issue of Combat Handguns. They probably read it right out of there, made some stuff up (Three times as powerful as a standard issue handgun? How the hell would you prove or disprove that?) and there you have it.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Three times as powerful as a standard issue handgun?[/quote]

I forgot about that! That was said as well and I had to wonder what type of cool little gun is this :D I'm surprised they didn't say it can 'spray' bullets killing hundreds by the minute. :)

Sometimes I think they make up their own stuff Don, the sheeple believe it and vote for it. What a joke.
 
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GUN FOES WARN OF `POCKET ROCKETS'
BLAGOJEVICH TAKING ON GANG WEAPON

By Lauren Comander, Tribune Staff Writer. Tribune staff writer Eric Ferkenhoff contributed to this report.
July 18, 2000

The gun fits in the palm of your hand. It packs three times the power of its predecessors. It holds up to 10 bullets.

It's a deadly combination, and some warn that it is the new weapon of choice for Chicago street gangs.

It is what police call a "pocket rocket."

The issue snagged the attention of U.S. Rep. Rod Blagojevich (D-Ill.), a champion of anti-gun legislation who on Monday said he would introduce a bill to ban the weapons.

"These are new high-tech guns designed specifically for killing people," he said during a news conference at the Dirksen Federal Building. "They have no real sport purpose, and they don't do anything that enhances a gun collector's collection."

Of the 18,729 guns police recovered from Chicago crime scenes last year, 503 of them fall into the "pocket rocket" category, said Thomas Ahern, spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Chicago.

The number of such weapons found at crime scenes nationwide almost tripled from 1995 to 1997, Ahern said.

More recent data were not available Monday, but Ahern said the weapons are becoming more prevalent. "It appears these are the weapons of choice for the day-to-day operations of gang members throughout the city and suburban areas because of their caliber, their capacity and their concealability."

Cmdr. Eugene Williams of the Chicago Police Department narcotics division doesn't dispute the presence of these types of weapons on Chicago's streets. However, he and other department officials said the number of "pocket rockets" remains small compared with the overall number of recovered weapons.

"There's no significant increase as far as we're aware," he said. "There are no red flags going up. They're out there and we are recovering them."

Bob Smith, group supervisor of the firearms section of the Illinois State Police Crime Lab, said analysts at the lab haven't noticed a spike in the number of these types of weapons recovered or submitted for processing by area police departments.

Among those murdered by one of these tiny handguns are Michigan 1st grader Kayla Rolland, whose classmate brought one into the school and shot her, and those in the line of fire at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in California when self-proclaimed white supremacist Buford Furrow started shooting.

Alan Gottlieb, founder of the 2nd Amendment Foundation based in Bellevue, Wash., maintains that the guns fill an important niche.

"They serve a very important purpose for people's self-defense, especially for women who want to put it in their purse," said Gottlieb, who said about 22,000 of the organization's members or contributors come from Illinois. "There's no such thing as a good or bad gun. It depends on whose hand it's in."

Blagojevich, who said he would introduce the bill in Congress Wednesday, acknowledged that he faces an uphill battle against Washington's powerful gun lobby but said there's a history of progress passing legislation on similar weapons.

The ban on the sale, transfer and possession of these weapons would apply to guns less than 7 1/2 inches long that can hold two or more rounds of ammunition. Violators could face fines and a maximum of 5 years in prison, according to a copy of the bill.

Blagojevich was the first member of Congress to file legislation that would require background checks at gun shows, said spokesman Matt Devine.

Blagojevich's announcement was made in conjunction with the release of a 25-page report that warns of the dangers of "pocket rockets" by the Violence Policy Center, a Washington, D.C.-based group that researches gun violence.

The weapons started gaining popularity in 1994, and today, virtually all major gun manufacturers produce them, said Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the center.

Diaz also said the industry has promoted "pocket rockets"--a term coined by Austrian gun manufacturer Glock to market a small, high-powered pistol--in tandem with a wave of state laws that permit licensed people to carry concealed weapons.

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Grrrrr... :mad: :mad: :mad:

Skyhawk


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Of the 18,729 guns police recovered from Chicago crime scenes last year,
503 of them fall into the "pocket rocket" category,[/quote]

HA HA! 18,729 guns recovered in CHICAGO where they are supposed to be ILLEGAL. The lights are on yet nobody is home here in Chicago.

I wonder how many of those guns were from a law abiding citizen? I'll bet one if that.

Thanks Skyhawk!
 
I am constantly amazed at the public's demand for justice and the government trying to supply it with new laws. Banning small handguns in a place where they are already illegal is just plain stupid. The same type of thing happened in the south when they made it a federal law that burning churches via arson was illegal. Well, arson was already illegal, but they needed a new law that made burning churches illegal. I just don't get it.
 
Press Release:

U.S. Rep. Rod Blagojevich (D-Ill.) has taken yet another step in his elitist, racist crusade, attempting to remove the last type of handgun the disadvantaged can afford. His labeling of the so-called "Pocket Rocket" is a thinly veiled attempt to totally take firearms out of the hands of minorities and single mothers everywhere.
Blagojevich has targeted Single mothers and Minorities in his attempt to look "tough" on guns. Knowing that there is no lobby or special interest to protect them. His attempt to pass this bill will take 1000's of legal guns out of the hand s of law-abiding mothers and the disadvantaged while leaving criminals and the wealthy untouched.
When he is not funneling more than 250 million dollars worth of government pork into the fat cat pockets who live in his district. He is cozying up the environmental lobby and costing East Chicago Indiana jobs by his grand standing. Perhaps to atone for his days spent wrecking the pristine Alaskan wilderness working on the Alaskan Pipeline.

Paid for by the "American's to get Rid of Bigoted Congressmen"
 
"The ban on the sale, transfer and possession of these weapons would apply to guns less than 7 1/2 inches long that can hold two or more rounds of ammunition. Violators could face fines and a maximum of 5 years in prison, according to a copy of the bill."
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Um, this is a bit bigger then Chicaco. They seem to be trying to ban ALL mouseguns and sub compact weapons. From the above wording, it would be illegal to POSSESS one?! So they are goind to try and confiscate those already in existance? And I suppose those law abiding, PERMIT CARRYING people in states with CCW will just have to tote around a full size Glock or 1911 instead of that Guardian on hot summer days. Looks like we are about to see a resurgance in fanny packs :|

Crap. Since Kali invariabley leads the way, I better pick up that P-32 while I still can...


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All part of the same strategy. Most people don't know what a "pocket rocket" is but it's obviously bad.

Most gun owners don't have pocket rockets I imagine so they won't give a s**t.

The NFA put a big wedge between rifles and pistols. And if you don't already know, A/W ban put uppper size/weight limits on pistols, now they're squeezing up from the bottom.

Bit of incrementalism and divide and conquer.

Battler.
 
Hmmmm, these guns started increasing in popularity in 1994, eh? I wonder what asinine occrence in 1994 could have promoted larger caliber, smaller-capacity, handguns that were more concealable?

VPC whine about "pocket rockets"? Hell, they are practically the father...
 
Pocket Rockets? I thought that term was applied to the tiny snub 357's [SP-101 and J frame's]?

Sorry but none of the Kel Tec fit the "rocket" part of that term IMO.
 
Ha! And you all LAUGHED at me when I got a Tomcat! Who's laughing now? Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! :D

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Now I'm :confused: So your Tomcat is 3 times as powerful as a "standard issue" handgun? Since .40 s&w seem to be the most common type of handgun "standardly issued" to PDs (don't think they mean "issued" to gangbangers, do they?), then these little devils can shoot 165 grains at over 3000 fps! Wow, how much do they cost? (not sure of the original source of that phrase - "standard issue", though)

Miss D, you nailed it - over 18,000 guns in a place where they (handguns at least) are BANNED?!

First our Congress passes a full-capacity mag ban which CAUSES the trend toward these in the first place. Now they want to ban these good CCW pistols - what did they think would happen?
 
I think Blago here is thinking of those "Noisy Crickets" in MIB.

Act these guys arn't as dumb as they look. Every little step is another victory for them. Looks like they're reading; Sun TZU's "ART of WAR". of course that's what they thought would happen, they're two moves ahead of us.
So what are we going to do about it?


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"Big or Little, it's all the same to a .45
Which comment embraced the full philosophy of the Gunfighter"
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Three times as powerfull- I think the boob who wrote this saw a mousegun that held four rounds and did some "new math".
"These are new high-tech guns designed specifically for killing people," he said during a news conference at the Dirksen Federal Building. "They have no real sport purpose, and they don't do anything that enhances a gun collector's collection."
- A pistol designed for killing people? Imagine! :rolleyes: The neighbors always complain when I use mine for hanging picture frames. No WONDER! Enhancing a collector's stash is a matter of individual taste IMHO.


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Now wait a doggone minute!

"..three times as powerful as a standard ISSUE handgun...?"

I was never issued a handgun! Where is the line?
 
I think, you will can stand to go over to the VPC's website (www.vpc.org), you'll see that they are focusing on the subguns like the Glock 26,27,30, S&W 4513,3913,4013, and other big bore compact guns, not necessarily the .380 and smaller caliber, them being banned will just be a bonus for the anti gun crowd. I still don't see how a Glock 26 with 10 rounds of 9mm is three times more powerful than a Glock 17 with Clintonized castrated 10 rounders. Hmm. Handguns are illegal where he is from. That hasn't stopped violent crime, so he wants to take the ban nation wide in hopes that it will what? Make crime worse in other areas making Chicago look less dangerous in comparison? Sounds logical to me :rolleyes:

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