Pocket Carry

I like my LCP more then my Bodyguard overall but both are good. They are not true pocket guns . . .

I don't understand the 2nd part of that statement. If I'm not at work or at home, there is a Bodyguard 380 in my pocket. That makes it a pocket pistol, no?

I've NEVER heard anything but good things about the Kel Tec P3AT,

I can only speak of the first generation of that gun, which had to go back to the factory and have the entire slide replaced before it would actually work. But they did make it work and I carried it for years, occasionally practicing with it.

That LCP with the enhanced red trigger sure was nice to dry fire. If I had not already bought the Bodyguard I would have bought the Ruger. I may still do so.

Bart Noir
 
Wait... was Ruger ever really sued? I thought that was just a rumor...

That was always my understanding...but silly me I never actually researched it for myself after hearing it from a couple people...maybe not

dont shoot the messenger!! no pun intended
 
Pocket Pistols

Two things really stand out here to me.LCP's and DeSantis Nemesis holsters,totally tried and proven,plus ALWAYS with you!:) Skeets
 
If you're open to revolvers, you gotta look at the Ruger LCR. I pocket carry the 357 model in a Desantis Nemesis. I recommend it over the lighter 38 model even if you plan to shoot 38+p (which I do )
 
Another vote for the keltec p32. Lots of guns are great for concealed, but pocket carry is a special subcategory. You have to sacrifice a little stopping power to get down to a gun that wont print in your pocket and which is uber light imho. P32 does that best.
 
My pocket carry small to large KelTec P-32 ,P3AT, Its 10yrs + and still going strong . Big carry PF-9 KelTec Its 5 years of trouble free. .
My wife and daughters all have P-32 for carry. I am so lucky :rolleyes: I have never bought 1 or even 2 of those Pile of trash KelTec 's that many people claim they bought or a friend of a friend had one. But I still can't win one of those big millions Power Ball .

How ever I have bought a bad Para Ord and Kimber :eek:
 
Another vote for the keltec p32.

Only issue I have with the .32 is that you need to make sure you can find ammo. I live in a city with a number of gun stores and none of them carry it. I could only get it online. Plus when I was looking for a pocket gun I went to each gun store and when I asked if they had the p32 they literally all said 'why do you want a .32?' and 'there is a reason we dont carry the .32 ammo anymore', etc. But they all have tons of .380 ammo. That pushed me to go 380 instead.
 
As far as printing is concerned, I will tell you by experience that there is virtually NO difference in my P32, and my LCP. The P3at, would be the same. I bought the P32 mostly just for grinns, but gave it a little thought as a hideout with the pocket clip, carried behind my back, clipped to my belt. That didn't work outso well withthe clip coming off my belt when I sat down.
The only advantage I see with the minimally smaller32 is one extra round. But with modern ammo technology, the 380 will get sufficient penetration, and expansion. While to get acceptable penetration with the 32 you have to stick with fmj bullets, and give up expansion.
 
For the most part a question like this gets a lot of fans offering their own gun as the best. It doesn't set up a series of decisions for you to pick yours tho.

First, what cartridge? The cartridge is designed to extend your reach - we carry knives and guns to be able to not have to use our fists. How much power do you want and can carry? Some will say a .22 is sufficient, others that .380 isn't. Moving into 9mm pocket guns does trade off concealability, adds weight, and increases the amount of recoil for follow up shot placement.

Research into what you find as a minimum acceptable threshold of power is important - because a lot of things are then decided and the series of decisions that follow on exponentially narrows at each step.

IN GENERAL, in the individuals best interest, no less than .380 is considered a good choice. Guns in that caliber weigh as little as 10 oz unloaded, take a 6 shot magazine or have 5-6 shots in a cylinder, usually fit a rectangle about 5" long by 4" high, and can be shot accurately for the short ranges intended. Here's a link to at thread with links that compare all the guns side by side with dimensions: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=171820

That is just the first step - the most important as it's the power you project that stops the aggressor. From there it's about how you work with the handgun, which involves your personal considerations. Anyone can eventually shoot any gun well enough, but getting a head start on firing it accurately without extensive practice doesn't hurt.

Next, how much trigger pull weight you will tolerate. There are two types of triggers, Single Action, which usually has a 5-6 pound pull, and double action, from 5 to 12 pounds. SA trigger pull tends to be quite short, DA quite long. That affects the safety - or not. SA guns have safeties as the light and very short triggers are easy to manipulate and fire. DA triggers tend to be "long and heavy" which is a safety measure itself.

Healthy male hands generally can shoot DA triggers ok, but less robust hands, or those past their prime, even injured, not so much. It is NOT a gender related issue as much as those who focus on it try to make it out. It's what YOU prefer in handling the weapon to make it shoot, and the emphasis on what you believe to be safe carry and use.

Pick the trigger type and length of pull, it decides if you get a safety or not.

After that, does it have a last shot slide hold open? If it does a heavy recoil spring ISN'T an major issue because you don't have to rack the slide every magazine you load - plus you don't load a magazine against the slide, either. A gun that holds open on the last shot makes it easy to shoot strings of magazines, or at least the the second one you carry and had to resort to because of the situation. Finding out you have an empty gun because the trigger went click is a bad thing to happen when trading shots in a life or death defense. Better the slide to hold open as a visual and physical sign you need to reload - plus not having to compress the stack of ammo against the slide to do it is important, too. Some guns have very heavy mag springs and slapping a mag into one just to see it fall out as you rack the slide is no joy.

With that, the gun is also easier to practice with at the range, more practice means more familiarity and more accuracy. Shot placement is key with handguns and wasted shots aren't always available - it might take a third magazine, which few carry.

Cartridge, trigger, pull weight, type of safety, last shot hold open. Sights come after and can be changed, the previous issues mostly can't. The gun is either right or it's not in that regard, and triggers are a matter of the inherent design from the ground up. A "light trigger" kit or modification usually doesn't make much difference, and a gunsmith usually charges a decent sum to change it. Put the money up front into the gun for the trigger you prefer and you don't have to pay extra to "fix" one because the design was wrong to begin with. This is where "you get what you pay for" starts adding up and the cheaper guns modified to become equal prove to not be a bargain in the first place.

Those "expensive" $350 pocket pistols are where the market started, what changed was a model or two being discounted to what they are actually worth. They don't compare in every feature and do have issues. You DO get what you pay for - set the required features and don't compromise, as in this class you simply can't add them on later. The gun either has it all - or it's not as good. Your choice.

Note we aren't even talking about the arguable issue of "build quality" or "fit and finish" that so many use as a smoke screen for stacking the social tier into a hierarchy of which is "better" - usually because a bigger credit card limit is their actual measuring stick. And measuring people their real goal. The gun to them is just a symbol of social rank. For you the gun should be the better tool for the job, not where it places you in the stack of who genuflects to who.

Cartridge, trigger action, weight, and slide hold open. Buying a gun to put in your pocket means no BBQ show and tell. Concealed means concealed and it's nobody's business what you carry. Make sure it's what you want and good enough to do the job.

As for easy to draw - goes to 1) your awareness and lack of ability to see things coming where you should have walked away, 2) don't wear your pants so tight. It's not concealed if you can see a print of where it rides like a can of chew in your pocket.
 
The LCP is obviously very popular. My wife and I went to the LGS to look at the LCP for her, and the staff handed her a Sig P238 for comparison. She fell in love with the thing and I went home for more cash.

A year and a half later, my covetousness was so ill concealed that she made sure that Santa brought me my own.

The little Sig shoots so well that it is actually fun to practice, which is not something that folks say too often about pocket pistols. You have to be willing to carry a SA cocked and locked, but the safety clicks on and off so decisively that I have never yet had it move in either direction by accident. Excellent sights are standard. It is a little heavier than the polymer pocket pistols, but it carries fine for me and for my wife, and the extra mass is probably a factor in how soft it shoots.

The price is part of what makes some of the other pocket pistols more popular. The LCP is a great value currently. But it is rare to have an owner say anything bad about the P238. It is definitely worth considering if you like the feature set and don't mind the price.
 
Guns like the P3AT and LCP are most certainly compromises. Of course a larger, heavier, single action gun like the P238 is easier to shoot. Even the larger gun is a compromise, as bigger guns may work better.
It's up to the individual to become informed and make his own decision.

Please don't think the .380 is any more adequate than lesser calibers. No handgun is the "Hammer of Thor." A CNS shot is the only sure stopper with any handgun caliber.
 
Bill DeShivs makes a great point. I often carry an LCP with a Houge grip. It conceals easily and offers 7 or 8 rounds without a reload. I carry quality ammo in it and I am practiced enough with it that I am confident that under most circumstances I can hit my target. I understand that if I get into a gunfight I will immediately wish I had a bigger gun in a larger caliber. I knowingly make the compromise for the ease of carry and concealment, and pray that if I ever need it I will have the wisdom and skills to make it work.

Edit: Even if armed with a full sized .45 I would immediately wish for a bigger gun in a gun battle...an AR most likely.
 
Here is my take on pocket carry. I read some where that you have to "dress around the gun". I used to carry a J-Frame, but that was uncomfortable wearing blue jeans, and getting the gun out quickly was iffy at best.

Then I discovered Duluth Trading Post Fire Hose Jeans. They are a cargo pant but Duluth calls 'em "jeans". The pockets are so big I can carry a full size 5" 1911, IN THE POCKET. And get it out quickly.

To the naysayers, don't knock it til you have tried it. I carry that 1911 in my pocket more often than the J-Frame.


Get some fire hose jeans and carry whatever you want. What you wear is as important as what you carry.
 
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Nobody pocket carrying the Shield?

I am ordering a Desantis pocket holster for mine.

I can carry it in my Carrhart jeans pockets. Sure you can tell there is something in my pocket but it just looks like a large cell phone.

I am a big, tall guy with a 48" waist, so that probably helps.
 
Kahr PM9/CM9. One of the few 9mm guns you can pocket carry.
Again, depends on the pocket, and most likely the build of the person. I at times can comfortably carry, and be able to easily draw my CM9 in a front pant pocket. Depending on the pants I am wearing. Key words at times. But I can always carry my LCP.:D
 
S&W Bodyguard 380...we have two of them in the family now...both were 100% reliable and almost indistinguishable in the pocket. It's my go to the movies gun now. Rod
 
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