Please, I Really Need Some Adivce!! I Have Been Debating For Weeks Now!!!!!
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This is about the dumbest thing I've read in a firearms forum in a long time. If you are in a lethal force situation you are using it because you have no choice. By intentionally wounding you are trading manslaugther for intentional maiming, battery 1, or aggravated assault. You are using a gun because your life in endangered. A .22 with rat shot...........
JulietCharley is more tactful than I and I respect him for that. If you are in a life and death situation the last thing on your mind is wounding so you can answer the civil suit instead of the criminal.
Recoil and muzzle blast are different for different people. I had a S+W 640 for a while. My father and bro-in-law tried it with fulload mags and wouldn't shoot more than two rounds. (My dad wouldn't even shoot .38's in it.) I used to shoot full house loads and giggle. Yeah, it hurt a little, but it was FUN! I like the idea of carrying magnum loads for self-defense, even in a snub. Practice all you want with .38's as mild as you can get them. Blast off at least one cylinder-full of mags at each range session and carry them for SD. IF you ever need it, the blast may be more comforting than annoying.
The 605 is a nice looking weapon and that counts, too. There are thousands of Taurus customers happy with their guns. I've had two Taurus's and liked them both. A 9mm and a .22 revolver. Both were dependable. DA trigger on the .22 wasn't great. IF you like the Rugers how about getting a blued 4" and carrying a stainless SP101?
The 605 is a nice looking weapon and that counts, too. There are thousands of Taurus customers happy with their guns. I've had two Taurus's and liked them both. A 9mm and a .22 revolver. Both were dependable. DA trigger on the .22 wasn't great. IF you like the Rugers how about getting a blued 4" and carrying a stainless SP101?
Funny, I can't find one of those Smaller GP100's in a blued finish anywhere! Not on their website or in their catalogue. They only have the stainless one listed. I can't even find it on any auction sites.
Also, would I want to conceal a Medium frame? I have held both, obviously, and I think a smaller frame would be a little better. How much smaller are those 3" GP100's?? I would think they are the same as both indicate "Medium frames."
It just seems that one of those 3" GP100's wouldnt be much different than what I have already! (4" GP100)
Also, would I want to conceal a Medium frame? I have held both, obviously, and I think a smaller frame would be a little better. How much smaller are those 3" GP100's?? I would think they are the same as both indicate "Medium frames."
It just seems that one of those 3" GP100's wouldnt be much different than what I have already! (4" GP100)
44mag@ucnsb.net
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I have got to go with SEB and Juliet on this one....
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING MAN???
I do quite a bit of varmit hunting in Florida and I can tell you that I have seen a small critter take a 40 grain Velocitor to the head and keep moving. That's from a 24" rifle barrel, let's cut that down to a 2" or 4" hidout gun in .22 and you honestly think you can stop a perp? Do everyone a favor and keep that kind of advice to yourself. Good luck with it, but there are people that come in here that are truly novices and might actually believe you. While I agree any gun is better than no gun, suggesting that someone supplant a .22 for any other choice of gun is ludicrous. Good luck everyone. Sorry for my rant, but this is nuts.
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juliet charley
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You probably need to make up your mind as to how you want to carry. If you want carry soley (or primarily) in a pocket then the J-frame size is the way to go. If you want to carry on a belt (either IWB or OWB), then the medium frame is a far better way go. Usually a three to four inch barrel will conceal just as well as a two inch barrel and carry a lot more comfortably. Probably the ideal concealed carry weapon in the three inch K-frame (M13/65/65LS--with my vote going to the M65LS). My four inch King Cobra with the right holster for me is the most comfortable concealed carry piece I have and find myself leaving my M65LS at home more often than not.
Probably what you need to understand that unless you are committed solely pocket carry, the holster is more critical than weapon to being able to conceal and carry comfortably.
Ohio Annie
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My "Tauri" are fine
I have 2 "Tauri" and they are both fine. Get what your heart desires!
I have 2 "Tauri" and they are both fine. Get what your heart desires!
As far as the carry options go:
In the past decade of almost daily carrying, I've had and routinely CCW'd the following wheelguns:
S&W M-10 (2")
Colt Detective Special (2", 3")
Colt Agent (2")
S&W M-60(2")
Taurus 605(2")
S&W M-64 (4")
S&W M-19/66(2 1/2", 3".4")
Taurus 627 Tracker (4")
NAA Mini (1", 2")
Taurus 66(3",4")
Tauurs 85(2",3")
The only revolvers that lend themselves to easy pocket carry are the NAA Minis and their larger J-frame/D-frame cousins. I prefer the Colt D-frames for the benefit of the sixth shot in the cylinder. Obviously, the airweights and scandiums shine in this arena, with the trade-off being increased recoil.
If you're going to go larger, then look to the 3" J-frames or better yet K-frames and their ilk. A solid gun belt, and either an OWB or IWB holster is necessary. You'll want to look for a holster that either puts the cylinder slightly above the beltline (a la Hoffners) to minimize bulk, or uses straps on the trigger area (think Chic Gaylord Constable IWB) or at extreme ends of the design (think of Sparks VM-2) to pull the gun close in to your body.
If you prefer blue guns, I'd recommend wearing an undershirt bewteen you and your weapon to minimize the contact with body salts. One of my Model 10s in blue got some damage to it before I figured out that little tip.
Another carry option is the Kramer Confidante shirt or Thunder Wear/Smart Carry. Both of the methods shine during the very hot summer weather and are unobstrusive, the trade-off being somewhat slower access to your weapon.
There is nothing wrong with carrying a 357 and loading it with 38s. I question my own skill during what my departed Grandmother would call "social unpleasantness" enough that I would not rely on a 22LR handgun to cease any hostile activity. If someone else has that level of confidence and/or competence then I applaud there nerves of steel, cracker-jack shot placement, and obvious years of training and exposure to such events that they are that good.
In the past decade of almost daily carrying, I've had and routinely CCW'd the following wheelguns:
S&W M-10 (2")
Colt Detective Special (2", 3")
Colt Agent (2")
S&W M-60(2")
Taurus 605(2")
S&W M-64 (4")
S&W M-19/66(2 1/2", 3".4")
Taurus 627 Tracker (4")
NAA Mini (1", 2")
Taurus 66(3",4")
Tauurs 85(2",3")
The only revolvers that lend themselves to easy pocket carry are the NAA Minis and their larger J-frame/D-frame cousins. I prefer the Colt D-frames for the benefit of the sixth shot in the cylinder. Obviously, the airweights and scandiums shine in this arena, with the trade-off being increased recoil.
If you're going to go larger, then look to the 3" J-frames or better yet K-frames and their ilk. A solid gun belt, and either an OWB or IWB holster is necessary. You'll want to look for a holster that either puts the cylinder slightly above the beltline (a la Hoffners) to minimize bulk, or uses straps on the trigger area (think Chic Gaylord Constable IWB) or at extreme ends of the design (think of Sparks VM-2) to pull the gun close in to your body.
If you prefer blue guns, I'd recommend wearing an undershirt bewteen you and your weapon to minimize the contact with body salts. One of my Model 10s in blue got some damage to it before I figured out that little tip.
Another carry option is the Kramer Confidante shirt or Thunder Wear/Smart Carry. Both of the methods shine during the very hot summer weather and are unobstrusive, the trade-off being somewhat slower access to your weapon.
There is nothing wrong with carrying a 357 and loading it with 38s. I question my own skill during what my departed Grandmother would call "social unpleasantness" enough that I would not rely on a 22LR handgun to cease any hostile activity. If someone else has that level of confidence and/or competence then I applaud there nerves of steel, cracker-jack shot placement, and obvious years of training and exposure to such events that they are that good.
44mag@ucnsb.net
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bergwerk,
Correction: Varmint. Sticky “N” key, Sorry and thank you for reminding me to check my spelling. I hate it when I misspell a word; it takes away from the thread. I am sorry you feel a need to make such a comment to infuse levity in a situation you created. I personally did not mean to insult anyone; I was just concerned about your suggestion to someone that using a .22 for self-defense was preferable to a .357 Magnum. I don't care to mince words on here, and you will seldom find me arguing a point that I cannot back up with data. But I was concerned that someone inexperienced with guns might actually think using a .22 would be effective against a criminal intent on harming them, let alone a person on hallucinogenic drugs as you suggested in your earlier post. In the end this whole conversation is really separate of the original thread anyways, so I will drop it. Good luck.
.44mag
Correction: Varmint. Sticky “N” key, Sorry and thank you for reminding me to check my spelling. I hate it when I misspell a word; it takes away from the thread. I am sorry you feel a need to make such a comment to infuse levity in a situation you created. I personally did not mean to insult anyone; I was just concerned about your suggestion to someone that using a .22 for self-defense was preferable to a .357 Magnum. I don't care to mince words on here, and you will seldom find me arguing a point that I cannot back up with data. But I was concerned that someone inexperienced with guns might actually think using a .22 would be effective against a criminal intent on harming them, let alone a person on hallucinogenic drugs as you suggested in your earlier post. In the end this whole conversation is really separate of the original thread anyways, so I will drop it. Good luck.
.44mag
.44mag brings up the obvious point that I may have taken for self evident and never mentioned, namely that a .22 is not as good as a .357 for effect.
No doubt whatsoever and thanks to .44mag for filling my omission.
The point was that a gun in your pocket beats the gun at home.
If the .357 will be in one's pocket at all times then go for it. My own experience is that the .22 can be in the pocket as easily as loose change while the .357 will be often left home in the safe.
No doubt whatsoever and thanks to .44mag for filling my omission.
The point was that a gun in your pocket beats the gun at home.
If the .357 will be in one's pocket at all times then go for it. My own experience is that the .22 can be in the pocket as easily as loose change while the .357 will be often left home in the safe.
I do agree that having a gun is the most important part of CCW. I also think if you value your life you will carry something that has a better chance of stopping a determined, aggressive attacker. It's all in your priorities. The smallest firearm I own is a S&W titanium .38. I've carried it in shorts and tank top lots of times. Is your life worth carrying a .22? Then by all means carry on.
juliet charley
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If you want reasonable (read usable) .22 for defence, you are looking at a J-frame. You can have a .38 Special (or .357 Magnum for that matter) in the same size package as the .22.