Plastic guns, and the "Invisible" gun law set to expire.

Not really. There are always ways to get around security measures. Always have been.

Banning a new technology because of how it might be used? That leads to a rather lubricious incline.
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I was not serious about changing my mind. That is why I added the reasonable inch comment. But those are the kind of comments that could sway some.
 
"A dedicated attacker will succeed."

The question becomes how much of a hole do you want to live in. I may be getting older but still not willing to live scared in a basement.
 
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This pdf has some pictures of thermo-conductive imaging. 3D printing of firearms pdf

Several sources, examiner.com Is NRA throwing printed guns under the bus?, a National Shooting Sports Foundation email that I received, and a few others have stated that the undetectable firearms act renewal bills will start moving again after Thanksgiving. The current law will sunset on Dec 9th.

A new bill, S1774 was introduced Nov 21st. Its text is not yet available, but it is likely a strait renewal with a one year sunset.

Gabrielle Giffords'/Mark Kelly's "American's for Responsible Solutions." reports that the NRA has agreed not to oppose the bill. They are not a trustworthy source, and it is not clear which bills they are referring to.

Everyone please contact your reps and the NRA, as well as every other gun organisation and forum to get the word out to oppose this renewal effort.

The NSSF email indicated that a strait renewal was going to pass. Even lowering the metal requirement per the standards in the law asking the AG to do that as technology advances does not seem to be in the cards.

Edit: Note that HR1474 and S1149 would ban manufacture of plastic bodied magazines and firearm receivers from non FFL 07 holders.
 
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S1774 A bill to reauthorize the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 for 1 year was just introduced on Nov 21st. Its text is not yet available, but it is likely a strait renewal.

Several sources, examiner.com Is NRA throwing printed guns under the bus?, a National Shooting Sports Foundation email that I received, and a few others have stated that the undetectable firearms act renewal bills will start moving again after Thanksgiving. The current law will sunset on Dec 9th.

Everyone please contact your reps and the NRA, as well as every other gun organisation and forum to get the word out to oppose this renewal effort. This issue has been in the news heavily for the last two weeks. I was hoping it would expire quietly, but that clearly will not happen.
 
I really could care less about 3-D printed guns. Clunky, dangerous, expensive, and what not render them out of my sphere of interest.

However, the thought of being able to print my own 30 round standard capacity magazines makes me as giddy as a school boy in a candy store the day before Christmas.
 
Where does the GCA ban making unimportable guns? Most of the small pistols and military style rifles are US made to avoid import bans.
 
Wow, I didn't realize the original Undetectable Firearms Act dated to 1988. I always though it came about in 1990 with Die Hard 2.

Yeah, kinda glad I was just getting around to being born when that passed.

However, something I've noticed in my experience with gun rights activities, and this is tangentally related to the new bill, is that guys and girls who are my age, and who came about in the firearms world during the AWB seem to get more invovled via social media with proposed legislation.

That's a good thing, a gun culture 2.0 if you will.
 
I remember when Glocks hit the market in the U.S. I rented one and really liked it . There is lots on metal on them 'duh' But the majority of non thinking TV watching zombies with out any critical thinking skills thought they were bad because of what the TV news reported. Then I remember the reports on the T.V news about the Black Talon bullet. The news media pushed the idea the bullet spins and acts like a saw tearing through flesh. Like spinning is new to bullets . But The mindless TV watchers were terrified.
 
http://mashable.com/2013/12/02/3d-printed-guns-law-renew Looks like further expansion is being debated. Israel wants to make it a requirement... "For a handgun, the two components will be the slide and the receiver; for a rifle, they will be the receiver, the slide and the barrel." I am assuming for the rifle he means the bolt. I wonder if any firearms would not pass that standard. It would be nice if I could see the exact bill.

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Does anybody know for sure how the law will affect plastic magazines?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1474/text has the text of one of the several bills being debated. I have found two others. One is S. 1774, which may not have a house companion at this time, it would renew the act for a year. Another bill doesn't have a number yet, but is mentioned on the House Committee website, it is likely a strait reneweal for ten years and was sponsored by Rep. Coble, Howard. http://www.gop.gov/bill/113/1/hr____

HR 1474 says: ...(C) any ammunition magazine, manufactured by a person who is not a licensed manufacturer--
...and then goes on to say essentially it requires one once of 17-4 steel or equivalent.

We are left to assume by his statement that a type 07 FFL would hopefully count. This will be bad for the many magazine subcontractors that work with plastic magazine bodies.
 
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