boondocker385
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interesting discussion. I have been in a crowd where a cop had is pistol in sul... then the screaming and running started....
Derbel McDillet said:with bent elbows you don't have the strength to effectively resist.
And that is absolutely correct. SUL is useful for some things. It is not useful for other things. But it can be a worthwhile addition to one's toolbox to use for the purposes for which it is suited....pros are obviously using in some situations, and they would drop it like a bad habit if they thought it no longer useful.
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Just because Sul might be useful in some situations, does not mean it is better than all other positions......
With bent elbows you have much more strength than if your arms were fully extended, it gives you leverage and allows you to explode with force.
Why would anyone want to hold his gun where it could block part of his vision while he's going around a corner?WardenWolf said:High ready has its uses when you're about to round a corner,...
Why would anyone want to hold his gun where it could block part of his vision while he's going around a corner?
As anyone who has done some shoothouse, simulator or force-on-force exercises would know, one wants a full field of vision when moving through an area in which there could be threats.Snyper said:Frank Ettin said:Why would anyone want to hold his gun where it could block part of his vision while he's going around a corner?
No one would.
It's a simple matter of loweriing it an inch or two so it doesn't "block your vision".
Reality is even at eye level, it barely blocks anything at all, but anyone with a shred of common sense would keep the muzzle below eye level...
As anyone who has done some shoothouse, simulator or force-on-force exercises would know, one wants a full field of vision when moving through an area in which there could be threats.
An expected response from someone lacking experience who does not know what he doesn't know. And an excellent example of the Dunning–Kruger effect:Snyper said:As anyone who has done some shoothouse, simulator or force-on-force exercises would know, one wants a full field of vision when moving through an area in which there could be threats.
It doesn't matter what you have done....
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate....
This isn't about quietly sitting in your easy chair in front of the TV with your fingers in front of your face. This is about moving with a gun through an environment in which there may or may not be someone who wants to kill you. The threat, if there is one, could be anywhere; and there could even be more than one. Your survival will depend on your ability to instantly see a possible threat, identify it as a threat and take appropriate action.Snyper said:...Hold three fingers directly in front of your nose and look around...
You said you never trained with or used that method, so based on what you told me earlier, you are not quaified to have an opinion.An expected response from someone lacking experience who does not know what he doesn't know. And an excellent example of the Dunning–Kruger effect:
You may certainly have an opinion, but not all opinions are equal. We have now established what your opinion is based on and therefore have a better idea of how much attention your opinion warrants.
You have based your opinion on merely your impressions seeing position SUL. Others have based their opinions on actual training with the position and use of the position.
Snyper said:You said you never trained with or used that method, so based on what you told me earlier, you are not quaified to have an opinion.Frank Ettin said:An expected response from someone lacking experience who does not know what he doesn't know. And an excellent example of the Dunning–Kruger effect: