Pistol grip shotguns

Ruger.

Not really flaming you, but just stating some facts here.

It doesn't matter if you buy anything or not...I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone, just saying what's up with me. You choose the arms and tactics that suit you.

Sorry, I don't watch movies...have been boycotting that cesspool Hollywood for about 25 years now. They get none of my money.

No, I'm no Rambo or toughguy (actually, I hate toughguys)...but I don't have to be, all I need to do is be able to use a gun to kill and be able to hit my target. I can do both...as long as my trigger finger works and I can see the target. Too old now (and later when I get older) to be duking-it-out with some in-shape young guy...I'd rather just shoot him (them).

Yes, I have had a home break-in. My car has been burglarized several times. I have been assaulted by some punk with a knife downtown some years ago. At one time I was forced to live on the street. I've been in prison and dealt with that environment. I've been in combat and found that I have no problem with killing or getting primitive (no, I do not wear a T-shirt that says, "This vet has been medicated for your personal safety"...should I?).

That's real life...mine.

Nor do I care about being arrested, going to court, or whatever. And I sleep just fine afterwards...no nightmares about taking some punk's (or the enemy's) life.

But that's just me. I understand that "normal" people think differently.

Yeah, I get scared, but being scared is normal. It's what you DO when you are scared that's important.

I won't get a dog (don't want pets), but might get alarms...but then I think my "hyper-vigilance" symptom may be getting the best of me.

Thanks for the advice anyway,

-- John D.
 
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John,, you obviously have had a tough life, I have never been in actual combat,, we never actually went into Cuba,, but I was in the 101st airborne at the time. I was discharged from the Army before Viet Nam really got started. At any rate, the Government had their chance to send me into combat, I guess they just screwed up,, lucky me. I don't have a problem with anyone being prepared for a breakin,, hell I have been broken into 2 times so far,, but,, they have always made sure I wasn't home to do it. I suspect,, most breakins are when the perps figure you are NOT home. I am sure they don't want to confront anybody at any time. That is why some of these threads are so rediculous. Thieves don't want to confront anyone,, much less be in a shoot out in someones home. It doesn't make sense does it, to get into a running battle with a home owner. That is why I get so turned off with the crap chat about people that want 20 rounds on their gun and all the other BS. Thieves are cowards,, not gunslingers..Just the sound of motion will usually scare them away. The sound of "racking a round into the chamber" isn't going to do anything but tell him where you are. He sure as hell isn't going to mess his pants at it. Just be prepared,, and drop the BS about multiple rounds, bandoliers, speed feeds, extended mags and all the other BS I read here. Yes be prepared, but I doubt you will need more than a round or two at most. You are dealing with scum that have no courage or a real life anyways.
 
Ruger4570,

I'm not sticking up for the "fantasy" threads here, just for what I see as a possibility -- rather than a probability -- due to the number of bad people on this planet. Well, actually, I mean people who just operate on the dark side of "normal" human nature.

I agree break-ins are unlikely, but I don't play the odds...I take precautions BEFORE something happens, as unlikely as a given event may be. If I'm wrong, and it never happens, then my preparedness was -- in hindsight -- unneeded; no harm done. If I am right and something DOES happen -- and I am unprepared -- then I am in big trouble.

BTW, you neglect to address "home invasions" when "terroristic" thieves KNOW you are at home, WANT you (and your wife/kids) to be at home so the intruders can rape/pillage/plunder...those are on the rise. That would be like a combat situation in your own home. Forget police help...or even the law. YOU are the law in that case...do whatever you have to do and with extreme prejudice.

And while I agree that criminals look for easy victims and said criminals aren't that brave, I know never to underestimate the enemy...your "coward" criminals may surprise you and then you'll be shocked for a minute thinking "What do I do now." Hesitation is dangerous.

Avoid being surprised...consider the possible scenarios and be ready for them...that will reduce or even eliminate the temporary inaction/freezing resulting from your assailants doing something you did not expect them to do. Of course, we can't think of EVERY response they may make, but some of them we can.

It's sort of like "expecting the unexpected" whatever it is...you actually can train for that.

Regards,

-- John D.
 
John,,, I have absolutly no problem with someone defending themselves from the slime on this earth. The last thing I want to do is shoot someone,, but given no choice,, I sure will shoot them. I just get tired of the Rambo types. Do any of these people have a clue as to what a Jury will think with their short barreled guns with extended magazines, minimum stocks, black gun looks etc. A jury will think these guys are just setting up to shoot someone,, they aren't cops or swat. In my mind,, if you have some kind of desire to waste someone,, you most likely will find it hard in a Court to make it work to your advantage. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to face a jury with anything other than my old full stocked hunting shotgun. If for a second they think you were setting up to shoot an intruder for whatever reason,, you have BIG problems. The people that think this is cool,, really NEED to see what happens in the real world,, not how it goes down in TV or movies. They are made up life,, you will have to face REAL life in court,, and it ain't pretty at times
 
Hey Ruger4570, come to California to join your comrads who think civilians shouldn't own anything with a magazine capable of holding 10 rounds, you will fit right in here.

If you think thief are cowards, live near areas with large Latino/Black gangs. These people aren;t cowards, they are desperate and have no regard for human lives. When they break in, the BREAK IN.

Rant over.
 
Sorry CALNRA,, you are the ones that elected what you have there,, It is bad enough in NY,, why go to Commifornia. If your life is as bad as you say,, maybe you "need ta' muve outa da hood" or maybe elect people that aren't so anti gun. My advice was simply,, you get into a shoot out with a Rambo type shotgun,, a jury will certainly look at with a different eye than just a regular sporting shotgun. Do what turns you on,, it is just simple advice,, ask your lawyer what he thinks in that scenerio. I figure, I can certainly end a conflict in my home with less than ten shots. If I am wrong,, well you will read about it in the paper.
 
Well, Ruger, believe it or not, the state of California is home to many true Americans. We grew uph here, hunt in the hills, hike in the mountains, relax by the beach.

We are not about to run from the illegals, the hoodrats and the homies. It's our home and we are here to stay.

BTW Ruger, with your "no one needs 20 rounds in their gun" philosophy, you sound just like ol' Bill himself.
 
Hello. Longtime lurker. I recently talked to a judge and asked him about tactical shotguns, black guns, etc, and if those types of weapons affected the way juries looked at shootings. He said they had no affect at all. If the shootings were proven to be self defense, it was self defense and justified, no matter what the gun used looked like, whether it was a tactial shotgun or a hunting shotgun.
 
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