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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patrick Graham:
Wow.. I can't believe that I'm "almost" going to get the last word on this subject.
In a small house, a trailer house, a stair well or tight hallway, pistol grips only on an 18" shotgun would be ideal. You can't shoot magnums but at 10 feet it doesn't matter. You've shaved a foot off the length of the item you would have to rapidly spin around with.
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I'm sure you didn't think you weren't going to get a reply on this one. I went all around my house with my full-stock and PG Ithaca's. (yes, I waited until the wife and kids were gone) and couldn't find ONE instance where the PG would give me any advantage. In fact, it's a bit of a disadvantage around corners in that you cannot naturally point it very well. The full-stock allows a reference for pointing that the mop-handle of the pistol grip lacks.
Patrick, have you ever tried to hit anything shooting around corners with a PG shotgun? In order to see the target with the gun pointing at the same time, you must lean forward into the gun anyhow. Look where your elbow is. To get any kind of control over the gun at all, your elbow must project somewhat behind the gun... exactly where that 12" you think you saved would have to be anyhow!!!
I'm an advocate for PG's when you have to fight in tunnels, bunkers, campers, other vehicles, or where you make a compromise for space as on a Motorcycle, backpack, or light airplane. Still, in those situations the folding stock would seem ideal as it doubles the effectiveness of the defensive shotgun. I would also like to stand up against the pistol-gripped full-stock. These are a bit of a compromise to me. I've always been lightning fast with a standard stock. Take a good look at pheasant and dove hunters. What do they shoot? Now they are quick, aren't they?
I guess I'll bottom line it for anybody who wonders what I think. The PG in any form on a shotgun is a COMPROMISE applicable to some narrow situations and should not be used on a gun that will serve any homeowner living in space larger than the Unabomber's shack. If you have specific requirements, sure, compromse. If you don't, don't limit yourself for sake of a false sense of necessity.
Wow.. I can't believe that I'm "almost" going to get the last word on this subject.
In a small house, a trailer house, a stair well or tight hallway, pistol grips only on an 18" shotgun would be ideal. You can't shoot magnums but at 10 feet it doesn't matter. You've shaved a foot off the length of the item you would have to rapidly spin around with.
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I'm sure you didn't think you weren't going to get a reply on this one. I went all around my house with my full-stock and PG Ithaca's. (yes, I waited until the wife and kids were gone) and couldn't find ONE instance where the PG would give me any advantage. In fact, it's a bit of a disadvantage around corners in that you cannot naturally point it very well. The full-stock allows a reference for pointing that the mop-handle of the pistol grip lacks.
Patrick, have you ever tried to hit anything shooting around corners with a PG shotgun? In order to see the target with the gun pointing at the same time, you must lean forward into the gun anyhow. Look where your elbow is. To get any kind of control over the gun at all, your elbow must project somewhat behind the gun... exactly where that 12" you think you saved would have to be anyhow!!!
I'm an advocate for PG's when you have to fight in tunnels, bunkers, campers, other vehicles, or where you make a compromise for space as on a Motorcycle, backpack, or light airplane. Still, in those situations the folding stock would seem ideal as it doubles the effectiveness of the defensive shotgun. I would also like to stand up against the pistol-gripped full-stock. These are a bit of a compromise to me. I've always been lightning fast with a standard stock. Take a good look at pheasant and dove hunters. What do they shoot? Now they are quick, aren't they?
I guess I'll bottom line it for anybody who wonders what I think. The PG in any form on a shotgun is a COMPROMISE applicable to some narrow situations and should not be used on a gun that will serve any homeowner living in space larger than the Unabomber's shack. If you have specific requirements, sure, compromse. If you don't, don't limit yourself for sake of a false sense of necessity.
