Theohazard
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That's not entirely correct. You don't need to be 21 to switch your shotgun to PGO configuration, you just need to be 21 to purchase it that way.Kvon2 said:
Pistol Grip Only Supporters...Only
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Theohazard
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If you buy it with a stock then your minimum barrel length is 18" unless you register it as an NFA short-barrel shotgun. But if you buy it new as a PGO shotgun then you can shorten the barrel below 18" even without NFA registration, you just need to keep the overall length greater than 26" and you can't install a stock. With a Mossberg 500/590 or a Remington 870, this usually means you can shorten the barrel down to 14" as long as you have a longer birds-head pistol grip installed; this setup usually keeps your overall length above 26".Kvon2 said:
However, keep in mind what 44 AMP pointed out: Many cops won't realize that a sub-18" barrel pistol-grip shotgun "firearm" is legal without a tax stamp. Also, state laws might still restrict these firearms even if they're legal under federal law.
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Nobody has suggested that you do anything illegal. It's not illegal to shorten your barrel below 18" provided you follow the rules I set forth in my previous post (also make sure it's legal per your state law).Kvon2 said:
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If you're planning on running it with a normal pistol grip (not a birds-head), I recommend against a Mossberg. With the 500/590, it's hard to reach the action release and safety with a pistol grip installed (on the Maverick it's only hard to reach the action release since it has a cross-bolt safety).Kvon2 said:
If you're planning to use a pistol grip, I suggest a Remington 870 because the controls are easier to use. If you're planning to use a normal stock or a birds-head grip, both will work fine but I prefer the Mossberg 500/590 controls in that case.
The Walmart website was inaccurate when I was looking for a Maverick 88. The website indicated they had one in stock in 12 gauge but when I got there, it was a 20. I paid a little more and got a much nicer Mossberg 500. They are pretty much the same except the Mossberg had 3 choke tubes and the Maverick had one and the Mossberg has a 10 year warranty vs a 1 year. I also like the wood stock better. The maverick was $188 and the standard Mossberg 500 was $254.
Some may wish to read up on the ATF's treatment of Pistol Grip Only shotguns of greater than 26 inches in overall length as an AOW if there is evidence that the actual firearm was concealed on a person. See the ATF letter.
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Theohazard
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Sorry, Theohazard. I didn't even realize that was posted. I was trying to figure out how to post what was said so as to make it easier to understand things in context, and then I only saw what I had done when I realized I was editing what was accidentally posted. I probably shouldn't have posted given the kind of day it has been.
The point I was trying to make was that under the ATF's interpretation that a virgin PGO can be treated as an AOW even if it has an OAL of 26 inches plus. That said, are you so certain of your statement that you need not register under the NFA as long as your OAL is 26"?
The point I was trying to make was that under the ATF's interpretation that a virgin PGO can be treated as an AOW even if it has an OAL of 26 inches plus. That said, are you so certain of your statement that you need not register under the NFA as long as your OAL is 26"?
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Theohazard
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As long as your PGO never had a stock on it and was purchased without a stock. This is consistent with both federal law and also the ATF's interpretation of federal law. Check out the links on this page, which I already posted in post #15:dreaming said:
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88
I've seen that letter before, and that's a different issue entirely. Let's not try to complicate things even further. Yes, the ATF says if you shoulder a pistol with an arm brace, you're making a short barrel rifle. And yes, if you attach a shoestring to a semi-auto rifle in the right way the ATF says you've made a machine gun. And yes, if you conceal an over-26" PGO shotgun on your person the ATF could consider that an AOW.dreaming said:
But in and of itself, a PGO with a greater than 26" overall length is not an AOW.
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Excellent news. Went to Dicks today and they have the maverick 88 going for $220. I asked the guy at the counter when he thought they may go on sale again and his short answer was he has no idea. I told him I would just take the hit and let's get some paperwork done.
Once we finished up we took me up to the register and leaned over to me and said "remember- you were out of town on black Friday" ...They rang me up for $178 and off I went. There are still some good people out there!
Once we finished up we took me up to the register and leaned over to me and said "remember- you were out of town on black Friday" ...They rang me up for $178 and off I went. There are still some good people out there!
Theohazard, Reading between the lines, I am thinking you know your stuff. Good job. As for over complicating things, I here you and the many variables that can get someone in trouble are ridiculous. Such as what if you never even mount a shoulder stock to your virgin pgo, but own one that will bolt right up. What if it is on another shotgun but both are disassembled at the same time for a deep cleaning? Does it sound like a TC case? I won't get into it and further confuse fold, but would be especiall leary if a dealer sold a pgo and sold a shoulder stock at the same time, although they were separate skews.
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