Pistol Caliber Rifles

OT, but i would like to meet a real old time cowboy who threw his revolver at a enemy when he just shot all six shots,. maybe use it as a club but why throw it? just about all the old westerns show this in there films. eastbank.
 
CX Storm

Last year I consolidated calibers to 45ACP. All SIG P220s/1911s and a SW325. As a HD I purchased a CX Storm in 45 ACP. Other than the limited mag capacity, its a great compliment to the others. Shoots great, accurate, easy to clean.
 
I have a Uberti Cattleman and a Henry Big Boy in 45 Colt. Both are a barrel of fun to shoot!!!

I have a Blackhawk .38/357 that I need to get a lever gun to match.

On another note, I used to try to keep to just a couple of calibers but the recent shortages have taught me to diversify and have more of a variety.
 
smee78- I have rifles in both 45 Colt and 44 Magnum so I am familiar with their qualities. The lowly 30-30 (as some consider it) will outshine either.

I never said you can't hunt with a pistol caliber carbine, what I said was that if I am going to carry a rifle for serious purposes, I want one in a serious rifle caliber. The one situation where a pistol caliber carbine makes sense is if one is prohibited from carrying a handgun. Then a compact 357 or 44 rifle is useful.
 
I see them as fun shooters, not serious rifles.
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Of coarse anticipated use is the last word one such things as but pistol caliber carbines have just as much potential for serious use as any other gun. Heck, perhaps the most "serious" gun I have is a lowly 10/22 carbine. More dead things from that (actually "those") than all my other guns combined. Don't get more serious than that.

It's not the cartridge or the platform that dictates whether a gun is serious or not. For some a bolt action rifle may be a range toy and their carbine a killin gun. Lord knows they can get the job done.
 
This gun is not a toy in any way. 225 GR Hornady FTX factory out of a 20 inch barrel 1800 FPS with 1740 Foot pounds. At 100 1416 FPS and 1002 FT-lbs.
If thats a toy you need to talk with my friend down the street that has the same gun and takes his limit of deer each year. The buck he got last year 350 LB and a 10 point never moved once hit.
I have a lot of pistol caliber carbines most are 9mm and I will agree that most are for fun (Beretta Storm, MP-5). And if I need a home defense gun I would pick the Beretta over most anything I have. It’s shorter than an M4 AR, very handy and easy to point.
They might be toys but they are serious toys when needed.
 
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I got a Ruger 77/44 a while back as a replacement for a Ruger .44 Carbine.

In stainless/synthetic it is really easy to pack around in the brush on the "wet side" of the Pacific Northwest, and it doesn't require as much care as the blued/walnut carbine did.

Eastern Washington? No...ranges are too great.

But I think it will work fine for close work.

It probably is a toy, compared to a real rifle. But for up to 100 yds I understand 240gr JSP's at 1800 fps are adequate.

Now all I need to do is shoot a deer with it to prove the concept... :)
 
Ya know, I always liked the concept of same ammo too. And I ran a Marlin 1894/S&W 686 that way for several years, first with 125 JHP. Then later with midrange lead SWC matched to a Ruger B-hawk.

But what I found was that I rarely carried both, and even more rarely shot the combo with the 125 JHP. Too much flash and blast in the Smith to be enjoyable. The the light fast hollow point in the carbine was not really a suitable load for deer, my most common quarry. Later, t I shot the B-hawk and the carbine at paper and plinking with the mid range loads, but I never hunted the carbine as it was pretty milk toast in power.

To get from one "power band" to another required pretty major sight adjustment. I did find that 148 WC/.38's and the 125 JHP shot to same point of aim, but the WC did not feed in the carbine, and single loaded it was still pretty mild as a utility load. And I wanted a bit more punch in the hangun too.

Eventually I had enough .357's guns on hand to accomplish what ever task. The B-hawk still shoots mid range lead. The 125 JHP SD ammo goes in a M28. The carbine is set up for 158 JHP and serves as a deer/hog rifle.
 
I bought a used Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm to accompany a Glock 23 with 9mm conversion barrel. When I brought it to the range for its first test, I experienced issues with stove pipes and FTE. I hope the LGS and the manufacturer help me solve the issue... Here are some photos of the problem..ImageUploadedByTapatalk1370228211.775786.jpgImageUploadedByTapatalk1370228244.621315.jpg
 

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Yankee...that brass makes the reloader in me want to cry.

if I am going to carry a rifle for serious purposes, I want one in a serious rifle caliber.
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I'm with SaxonPig on this. I like the idea of a rifle and pistol using the same cartridge but when it comes time to actually buy one I can't because I'd be buying and carrying a 'rifle' and not getting 'rifle' performance out of it.

That said, I've done inconsistent stuff in the past and if a .460 lever action came by that could also fire .454 and .45 Colt....well....

Something I think is ridiculous is we cannot have shoulder stocks for our handguns. For me a shoulder stock would let me realize the accuracy the handgun is capable of but I am unable to get even shooting two handed. That is it would give me some of the advantages of having a rifle but at a fraction of the cost of buying a complete rifle.
 
pistol caliber rifles

regardless of all the opinions there is a much greater penetration of pistol ammo in a rifle. standard 45 acp from pistol will bounce off of cinder blocks i used the same ammo in a rifle and it penetrated the blocks and actually cracked the back side.
 
I've always wanted a levergun in .454 Casull/.45 Colt, but the very, very few in .454 don't seem to function with .45 Colt. They also only seemt o come in 20" barrels, never a handy 16". It's too bad, because the .454 is a true "carbine round," too powerful to be much fun in a handgun, but not too bad in a carbine. It's just too expensive (and powerful) to shoot all the time, so working with .45 Colt is kind of important in a practical gun.
 
I used to want a rifle in .454 then I got a .45-70 and I forgot all about it. I can load it from mild to sort of wild and it always shoots great...

I had a .44 mag carbine for awhile and it only would shoot good with the hottest loads on book and I didn't always want that...

Tony
 
Yeah, but you can fit twice as many rounds (well, almost) in the same length tube with a .454. If I handloaded, I actually wouldn't mind that it didn't feed .45 Colt, since I could load down a .454 instead. Thing is, I can't handload and won't be able to for at least a few years, and .45-70 isn't cheap right now either. :(
 
The major exception I've found is the M1 Carbine. Most ranges prohibit its use.
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every indoor range I've ever been to allows rifles up to 30 cal with non-steel core ammo traveling slower than 3200FPS, I can't imagine any indoor range with such a bug up their rears about their deflector wall that they wouldn't allow a 125gr FMJ travelling at 10mm handgun speed. they might as well ban tokarevs too.
 
Pistols and pistol caliber rifles/carbines

I am all right with the concept and do enjoy shooting them.
I have rifle & pistol combo in 357 Mag, 44 Mag and 45 Colt.
I also have a 223 Rem T/C Contender 10 inch barrel and a Contender Carbine also in 223 Rem. I really do enjoy the 45 Colt levers and pistols. It is a fun combination to carry, a 255 GR bullet out of a 4.6 bbl Blackhawk around 1000fps, but in the 16 inch carbine, the same round is going 1600 fps., and more than enough for putting meat on the table and protection from 4 and 2 legged varmits if need be. The 44 mag and 357 mag pistol/rifle combo are just as effective

V/R
J.Budd
 
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