Pigs with a spear?
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AirForceShooter
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Done it.
Hawaii 1967.
Scary as hell.
I was young and really dumb.
Now. 308 at 50 yards.
AFS
Hawaii 1967.
Scary as hell.
I was young and really dumb.
Now. 308 at 50 yards.
AFS
fisherman66
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My dad was stationed in Turkey back in the late 50's early 60's. He was invited to observe a Turkish rite of passage. It was a wild pig hunt with a blade. It's been a couple decades since he told the story, and I don't remember how the pig was held, but I want to say it was a dug pit.
I'd imagine it's more common to use dogs here in the US.
I'd imagine it's more common to use dogs here in the US.
JD, Alot of folks still use a spear to kill a hog that has been found and bayed by dogs. Others do it after it has been caught by a bulldog following the bay.
The way we run dogs, we turn loose a bulldog or 2 to the bay and then we grab the back legs and "tip" the hog. Normally we tie it up and haul it out alive. Givin' the circumstances we occasionally feel it is best to "stick" the hog with whatever pocket knife we have. These circumstances usually related to the hog tearing up the dog or dogs and it is best for us to take out the hog quick.
This is what we offer to folks. I have a rifle hunt offered in this section but prefer to take folks on a hog doggin run.
Brent
The way we run dogs, we turn loose a bulldog or 2 to the bay and then we grab the back legs and "tip" the hog. Normally we tie it up and haul it out alive. Givin' the circumstances we occasionally feel it is best to "stick" the hog with whatever pocket knife we have. These circumstances usually related to the hog tearing up the dog or dogs and it is best for us to take out the hog quick.
This is what we offer to folks. I have a rifle hunt offered in this section but prefer to take folks on a hog doggin run.
Brent
And just how does a pig hold a spear anyway?While it may be dangerous to hunt hogs without a gun, just dogs. I ain't about to run thru the woods with a spear in tow! Seems alot like running with a double bit axe!
But to put your hands on a wild hog to either tip it or stick it is an adrenaline rush that is hard to beat!
Brent
But to put your hands on a wild hog to either tip it or stick it is an adrenaline rush that is hard to beat!
Brent
LateNightFlight
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I've watched it on youtube and was sickened by it. Plus, I flat out hate pit bulls and don't mind saying so. Some hog dogers have zero respect for others property and no control, and a pit doesn't know the difference between a calf and a hog. I bagged one with a 220 Swift. My Oakie cousin bagged a pair and hung a tracking collar on the fence and waited. No takers for the liability and what they wanted to deal out to their scum owners.
I know of many bulldogs that can be put over the farmers fence into a pasture of cattle with one pig amongst them and the cattle don't get targeted. It is what we refer to as "trash breaking". But it is rare that we use bulldogs as finding dogs. We have NON bulldog type "curr" dogs that actually find and bay the hog. Much the same as coon hounds do. We then send the bulldog to catch and hold for us. It is a historic type of farming actually. But moreso it is the most productive method to rid feral hogs from farm land and private property where they are doing damage.
In Florida you would have to have some proof that the dogs were actually ATTACKING humans or your animals to harm them. The charges are several and the civil implications are very great. The minimum I could sue for are the mental anguish and the value of the dog (I place the value) and that of every possible offspring I could have created from my "VALUABLE" hunting dog... again I set the price... so lets say i can claim 15 litters of 10 pups each at $5,000 per pup.
Not everyone has to agree with this type of hunting just like not everyone agrees with gun or bow hunting. But the effectiveness cannot be denied.
Brent
In Florida you would have to have some proof that the dogs were actually ATTACKING humans or your animals to harm them. The charges are several and the civil implications are very great. The minimum I could sue for are the mental anguish and the value of the dog (I place the value) and that of every possible offspring I could have created from my "VALUABLE" hunting dog... again I set the price... so lets say i can claim 15 litters of 10 pups each at $5,000 per pup.
Not everyone has to agree with this type of hunting just like not everyone agrees with gun or bow hunting. But the effectiveness cannot be denied.Brent
fisherman66
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We've all ran into hunters like that (very disrespectful of a community). That doesn't mean all hunters are like that. A well trained dog is almost magical to watch. I've never ran with hog dogs, but I've watched top notch quail/trial dogs work. Their focus is amazing. On the flip side I have seen very poorly trained dogs who owners just expect something to click once they are in the field. Yup, they go terrorized the neighbors livestock and pets. I'd shoot them too (not that it's the dogs fault).
LateNightFlight
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Name one case where damages have been awarded for the destruction of a pit. Show me one prosecution for that. Pits have been so destructive in my area that neighborhood phone trees light up and you get shooters in a hurry. And much of what we know of pits is their popularity with felons, (dogfighters/druggies/general punk wannabees.) Someone with a pit is a marked man in my area.
I talked with an Arkansas outfitter who primarily does ducks and deer across thousands of family farm acres. But he can also post several hunters off the edge of baited fields and shoot multiple hogs on a set. Occasionally, the hog dogers come through and destroy the hunt for everyone else so they can take one pathetic little pig. That's not what I call productive. (But I guess that's one way a convicted felon who can't own a firearm can still go hunting.)
IMO, pit bulls aren't worth the trouble or the risk. I've had two dogs attacked by pits, but my buddy's setter pup was killed by one in his own driveway. During my paramedic career, I've been on more pit attacks than I can count, including a fatality from a "sweet family dog." I have a scar on my right upper thigh from another one. Not a fan to say the least.
When it comes to discussions of fair chase and humane hunting, using a catch dog, then stabbing a screaming, struggling hog to death can't be part of the conversation. Posting of these ugly scenes on youtube is just more ammo for the anti-hunters who love to cast all of us in the role of brutal animal torturers.
I talked with an Arkansas outfitter who primarily does ducks and deer across thousands of family farm acres. But he can also post several hunters off the edge of baited fields and shoot multiple hogs on a set. Occasionally, the hog dogers come through and destroy the hunt for everyone else so they can take one pathetic little pig. That's not what I call productive. (But I guess that's one way a convicted felon who can't own a firearm can still go hunting.)
IMO, pit bulls aren't worth the trouble or the risk. I've had two dogs attacked by pits, but my buddy's setter pup was killed by one in his own driveway. During my paramedic career, I've been on more pit attacks than I can count, including a fatality from a "sweet family dog." I have a scar on my right upper thigh from another one. Not a fan to say the least.
When it comes to discussions of fair chase and humane hunting, using a catch dog, then stabbing a screaming, struggling hog to death can't be part of the conversation. Posting of these ugly scenes on youtube is just more ammo for the anti-hunters who love to cast all of us in the role of brutal animal torturers.
Wow! Ya just never know where a thread's gonna go after ya start it. Which is cool.
I know a little about hunting with dogs. My drather and I are aspiring bird slayers. What I know, is that we dog hunters get to lovin tht "dog thing" as much or more than the "shootin and killin" thing.
I think that many of us would rather hunt without our guns, than without our dogs. However, killing is a rather important part of hunting to us predators.
We could argue forever about more or less humane meathods of killing, but never forget that guns, bows, clubs, spears, and dogs will never be less humane than the death that Mother Nature deals to to every living creature.
The tragedy of the pit bull these days, is that so many of them are owned by folks that shouldn't be allowed to keep a hampster. In their hands, any dog-or child for that matter, would probably turn out to be a menace. I don't want the "dog cops" to decide which dogs are allowed anymore than I want someone deciding which guns are. jd
I know a little about hunting with dogs. My drather and I are aspiring bird slayers. What I know, is that we dog hunters get to lovin tht "dog thing" as much or more than the "shootin and killin" thing.
I think that many of us would rather hunt without our guns, than without our dogs. However, killing is a rather important part of hunting to us predators.
We could argue forever about more or less humane meathods of killing, but never forget that guns, bows, clubs, spears, and dogs will never be less humane than the death that Mother Nature deals to to every living creature.
The tragedy of the pit bull these days, is that so many of them are owned by folks that shouldn't be allowed to keep a hampster. In their hands, any dog-or child for that matter, would probably turn out to be a menace. I don't want the "dog cops" to decide which dogs are allowed anymore than I want someone deciding which guns are. jd
I had never heard of hunting pigs with dogs before, but last January I was in Mississippi on a startup and the guys at the plant were talking about it. I had also never heard of taking them alive and bringing them to a feed lot for fattening up before slaughter either.
One guy told me how on his last hunt several of his dogs were killed by a big boar.
Seemed to be a mixture of mountain curs (whatever that is) and pits.
One guy told me how on his last hunt several of his dogs were killed by a big boar.
Seemed to be a mixture of mountain curs (whatever that is) and pits.
Mountain curr is a dern fine hog dog...
First to address LNF's history with the breed of "PIT" I will admit they tend to be dog aggressive which comes from them being bred for several hundred years for fighting which I neither support nor condemn as it did create a good working breed. As for your experience, are you 100% positive these were PURE PITBULL DOGS? Add in one questionable DNA donor and the whole deal is off. The pit by nature is NOT man aggressive as they were bred to be handled during a pitted fight. Of the 3 house dogs we call pets I have a Chihuahua, a pomeranian chihuahua cross and a rednose pit crossed up mutt. The sedate trustable one with strangers is the pit cross. The one who chases cars is the pom/chi cross.
Of the 3 catch dogs I currently own, one was a house pet now a dedicated catch dog and she is a "blue" pitbull by breeding but is fawn. The other 2 are 50/50 pit/american bulldog crosses. These are not dog aggressive with each other nor the "cur" dogs. Some pits are terrible bad and hard to break of dog aggression which is why I stay away from the "gamebred" pit lines. Of all my dogs I have had 2 bloody fights amongst them. One was a cur dog with an attitude who jumped a bulldog and had her butt handed to her. The other was my indoor pit cross trying to fight off a pit/american bulldog from an overturned (indoor pit) house trash can. In both cases the lesser bulldog started it.
I will stand here all day and say "PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED"... even though the pure pit is not for me.
BTW, One of my bulldogs has run as a "running catch dog" and has never targeted livestock nor dogs. But she is heck on dillers and beavers. Both are nuisance animals.
Brent
First to address LNF's history with the breed of "PIT" I will admit they tend to be dog aggressive which comes from them being bred for several hundred years for fighting which I neither support nor condemn as it did create a good working breed. As for your experience, are you 100% positive these were PURE PITBULL DOGS? Add in one questionable DNA donor and the whole deal is off. The pit by nature is NOT man aggressive as they were bred to be handled during a pitted fight. Of the 3 house dogs we call pets I have a Chihuahua, a pomeranian chihuahua cross and a rednose pit crossed up mutt. The sedate trustable one with strangers is the pit cross. The one who chases cars is the pom/chi cross.
Of the 3 catch dogs I currently own, one was a house pet now a dedicated catch dog and she is a "blue" pitbull by breeding but is fawn. The other 2 are 50/50 pit/american bulldog crosses. These are not dog aggressive with each other nor the "cur" dogs. Some pits are terrible bad and hard to break of dog aggression which is why I stay away from the "gamebred" pit lines. Of all my dogs I have had 2 bloody fights amongst them. One was a cur dog with an attitude who jumped a bulldog and had her butt handed to her. The other was my indoor pit cross trying to fight off a pit/american bulldog from an overturned (indoor pit) house trash can. In both cases the lesser bulldog started it.
I will stand here all day and say "PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED"... even though the pure pit is not for me.
BTW, One of my bulldogs has run as a "running catch dog" and has never targeted livestock nor dogs. But she is heck on dillers and beavers. Both are nuisance animals.
Brent
Out here in Oregon, pigs are just starting to show up, although the game commission doesn't want them. There are plenty of hound guys who would probably love it, as they can no longer use their dogs for bear and cougar, which we have plenty of. Bobcats are about the only action they get.
Gunner, my german wirehair, might make a pig dog if given the chance. I think that is one thing they were bred for in Europe. I'll tell ya the breed is tough, quick, and aggressive. Did you ever hear of anyone using them?
We can travel south into California, and the pigs get fairly plentiful, but thats California:barf: No offense meant to the decent folks stuck there. The most northern part of the state will make a fine addition to Jefferson State when our movement gains more support.
jd
Gunner, my german wirehair, might make a pig dog if given the chance. I think that is one thing they were bred for in Europe. I'll tell ya the breed is tough, quick, and aggressive. Did you ever hear of anyone using them?
We can travel south into California, and the pigs get fairly plentiful, but thats California:barf: No offense meant to the decent folks stuck there. The most northern part of the state will make a fine addition to Jefferson State when our movement gains more support.
jdSounds Familiar
Saying that a particular breed of dogs is more dangerous is sort of like saying that a rifle with a black paint job is more dangerous. Or that a twenty round magazine is more dangerous then a ten round magazine. The counter argument is that the person with the gun should be held accountable. Doesn't it stand to reason that the owner of a dangerous dog needs to be held responsible?
Maybe we should look at Congress to pass Evil Black Dog legislation!
Saying that a particular breed of dogs is more dangerous is sort of like saying that a rifle with a black paint job is more dangerous. Or that a twenty round magazine is more dangerous then a ten round magazine. The counter argument is that the person with the gun should be held accountable. Doesn't it stand to reason that the owner of a dangerous dog needs to be held responsible?
Maybe we should look at Congress to pass Evil Black Dog legislation!
I completely agree Roy, except for the Black Dog legislation.
Different breeds have many different characteristics which must be considered and controlled by any dog owner. Your gun analogy is just about perfect. People and especially their kids need to treat every strange dog as if it is loaded with the safety off, until proven otherwise. There are plenty of laws on the books to take care of problem dogs and their owners, and punishing an entire breed makes no more sense than the stupid gun bans that periodically plague us. jd
Different breeds have many different characteristics which must be considered and controlled by any dog owner. Your gun analogy is just about perfect. People and especially their kids need to treat every strange dog as if it is loaded with the safety off, until proven otherwise. There are plenty of laws on the books to take care of problem dogs and their owners, and punishing an entire breed makes no more sense than the stupid gun bans that periodically plague us. jd
ForneyRider
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We catch them in live trap and then shoot them in the head. But, my dad made a 14in blade to stick it in the heart. It worked faster than the head shot.
These are the small feral hogs, like 70-90lbs usually. But they are plenty tough.
The dog hunting of feral hogs is popular down here in Texas.
These are the small feral hogs, like 70-90lbs usually. But they are plenty tough.
The dog hunting of feral hogs is popular down here in Texas.
Forney points out something I have found... When trapping you rarely get the big slob breeder hogs... They are just too smart for the most part.
Granted you are reducing the actual numbers but them little 70 pound boars won't be getting anywhere near a breeder sow with them big boars around.
Brent
Granted you are reducing the actual numbers but them little 70 pound boars won't be getting anywhere near a breeder sow with them big boars around.
Brent