Picture...am I wrong?

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monkey95

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Am I wrong in taking this picture?

An aquaintance at work said I was teaching "improper muzzle control" with my daughter. I said thanks and went on my way, but would like opinions from the more experienced,than me, crowd.

1. I double checked that the rifle was unloaded. She had fired all the rounds I bought....still checked

2. I placed it in the position it is in...and told her where to hold it.

3. I took the rifle after the photo was taken and placed it on the bench.

Was it wrong of me to allow her to hold it with the muzzle pointed at the ceiling?
 

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The only thing i think you could have done diffrent is to lock the bolt to the rear with the dust cover open so any passer by would know it was cleard out. That said i dont see any safety violations.
 
You may be a banana munching subhuman primate, but gee, you seem to have taken proper care when you shot the photo.

Some people have an innate need to prove their superiority to themselves and to others. These people can't prove their self worth by their own actions, on their own merits; they aren't heros, they're not brillian, and most of the time, they aren't even competent. Heck, why don't I throw in ugly, too?

So, their only way of proving to the world (including you) is to go to great lengths to show the world how stupid and inferior everyone else is.

You showed him a picture? What the heck. Knock you down, tell you that you're stupid and careless. Maybe he was even going to tell you that your daughter was ugly, and realized that you have guns available.

you want confirmation? show him a picture of a firearm. Will he be happy for you that you have something you like? no, he's probably going to tell you that you made a stupid decision buying what you did.

"Have that stainless steel hunk of crap shredded to make brillo pads, and buy yourself a glock/1911/etc because what you got there ain't worth the powder it would take to blow it up."

Please keep in mind that when I call somebody stupid, it is only in hopes that I can help them become enlightened. :rolleyes:
 
Briandg pretty much nailed this one. Depressing but (IMhO) true.

For what it's worth I like the quote 'living well is the best revenge' so if you can, just let it go. Looks like you've got a nice rifle and since she likes to shoot you surely have a nice daughter.
 
Maybe the acquaintance was worried because she has a bigger gun than he does.

I see nothing wrong with this photo. If it was my kid, I would probably have a Christmas Card made up from this picture.
 
I see nothing wrong with the way she's holding the rifle; that's one of the ways I was taught to point it when not in use. And I'm glad she seems to like shooting - life is so much easier when the women in the house like guns, too.

I will say, FWIW, that I have grown somewhat uncomfortable with pointing a gun skyward - only because what goes up must come down. Of course, if you point it at the ground and have an AD, you can get a ricochet, so it's kinda hard to win that argument, even if the only person you argue with is yourself; but that's just me.
 
With nothing else to go by other than the pic, I can only assume some violations.

Rule #2: Never allow the muzzle to cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

Is the range downstairs/basements in a building?

Is this at a place of business? What rules do they have regarding where the muzzle is pointed? Mine does not allow the muzzle pointing up, only down or downrange.

With the simple definition of Rule #1, people can still seem to interpret it to their fancy. Reminds me of how the definition of the 2nd Amendment is defined by conservatives and progressives. You said you handed it to her for the pic. Did she perform a check of the firearm upon receiving it? As another member pointed out, locking the action open and placing a barrel flag in would probably make the world happy.

That's all I could parse. My personal opinion is if this is the "worst" safety violation pic, I don't think the world would come to an end. My house is made of glass, so I'm not going to be throwing any stones....
 
I may be...

...the only one to disagree, but I would prefer that the rifle be pointed downrange, vis-a-vis muzzle up.

She is not being unsafe in the photo, but I would prefer that the muzzle be pointed toward the target.

Just my HO. YMMV

PS - You have nothing of which to be ashamed. Be thankful that your daughter is at the range with you, instead of Facebook.
 
An aquaintance at work said I was teaching "improper muzzle control" with my daughter. I said thanks and went on my way, but would like opinions from the more experienced,than me, crowd.
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Sounds like your aquaintance is still PO'ed because your daughter beat him in the last match.

I get simular comments on the picture I posted of my Granddaughter and her Thanksgiving Turkey.

The best comment was some one said I was teaching her bad hunting tactics because here camo wasn't proper for Turkey Hunting.

Idiots will always come up with something, They only win if we let them get to us.

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When we tote our biathlon rifles behind the line during sight-in, we carry them by the barrel (muzzle-up, of course) with the action open.
No issues here.
 
The best comment was some one said I was teaching her bad hunting tactics because here camo wasn't proper for Turkey Hunting.

Apparently, nobody told the turkey. :D
 
Treat - Point - trigger - target -

1) always treat the gun as if it were loaded
2) always point the muzzle in a safe direction
3) never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire
4) be aware of your target and the target surroundings

So that being said, if you and your daughter are 100% sure that the rifle is unloaded, and there is no one upstairs, your pic is good to go.
 
Your mistake was showing him a picture of a girl with a gun.

I'm the editor of Concealed Carry Magazine. Every issue, we have a picture of an armed citizen on the cover. Usually, these folks are posing with their carry rigs visible, smiling at the camera. Sometimes they are holding their carry guns. Fun photos. I try to alternate men & women, young & old, couples & single people, etc so we have a variety of people on the cover over the course of the year.

Whenever we run a picture of a woman holding a gun, it does not matter what she is actually doing -- I will receive at least a half-dozen letters from people telling me everything she is doing wrong. "Her holster's at the wrong angle!" or "She isn't holding the gun firmly enough" or "Her thumbs are in the wrong place..." or "It looks like her finger might have been about to drift onto the trigger."

When we run pictures of guys on the cover, we rarely get any reader feedback at all, good or bad. As far as I recall, we've never received an email from a reader criticizing a man's thumb placement, general grip, or holster angle.

At first I thought it was my hypersensitivity, but as time has gone on it's become obvious that something about a picture of a woman with a gun prompts a certain percentage of people to view it as a challenge: "What's wrong with this picture?"

pax
 
do i smell pro gun feminism!?!

i do agree with pax. if it was your son the guy probably would have been like, rock on warrior!

i dont see anything wrong with it. double checked it, not pointing somewhere terrible. Im sure the proprietor wouldn't have appreciated a hole in his ceiling, but its not like she had a gun to her head. also her finger is WELL off the trigger.

He was just being a hater. probably jealous of both your/her rifle and the fact you have a happy homelife with a daughter you can do things with.
 
The measure is yours to make.

By your post, I assume you want us to be critical in order to confirm what you aquaintance at work said and reacted. Let me get this right, you did your best at the range and you were second guessed by someone else who was not even there.. ..... Right :confused:

During our classes, we teach; Up-And-Away. We are in an outdoor enviroment during our live fire and under these conditions this is our best position. .. :)

I too cannot measure you as I was not there but perhaps you might want to take a second look. She definitely has muzzle control and do you think that there was a better position or a better direction to point the muzzle? .... ;)
Again, I cannot measure or judge you and that person at work was out of line... :mad:

We do our best; in our own best ways and;
Be Safe !!!
 
Does your acquaintance own the target retrieval mechanism in the picture? Otherwise ... what just about everyone else said.
 
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