Pi Pizza, Houston TX

Hal_F said:
So, as I understand your logic, if you were quietly discussing a political view that is contrary to the owners and were not disturbing anyone and he overheard your conversation while putting your drink on the table, it would be OK to ask you to leave. What it were a group of blacks quietly discussing "black lives matter?" What if it were a group of evangelicals discussing their opposition to Planned Parenthood?
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Hal, your examples have nothing to do with the question here, which is about refusing entry to protected classes of people, as opposed to refusing entry to people carrying guns. People who carry firearms aren't a protected class, because carrying a firearm is an optional activity, and people can choose to do so or not do so. In order to be a member of a protected class, a person has to have some characteristic, like race or disability, which can't be left at home or under the seat of a car. We may not like it, but firearm owners aren't a protected class and there's no basis for making us one.

A business owner generally has the right to refuse service to anyone on the basis of their behavior; whether that behavior is protected under the Bill of Rights is irrelevant, because the Bill of Rights places restrictions on what the government may do, not on what a private entity may do. Carrying a firearm is such a behavior.
K_Mac said:
If the owner posts a notice on the door that says, "Discussion of politics, religion, sex, race or ethnicity is forbidden here; come in and enjoy a nice meal and leave all that at the door. Violators are not welcome.", would he not have the right to do so?
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Yes, he absolutely has that right. Give or take the nice meal, The Firing Line itself is a place where exactly that sign is "on the door." It's a privately owned entity, and as such, the First Amendment doesn't apply here. We can and do impose these kinds of restriction on speech. You'll find many, many examples of this if you read our rules. There are all sorts of things members don't get to discuss here -- that fact in no way violates their rights under the First Amendment.
 
I respectfully disagree.
Any time your rights are being infringed on its something we have to fight against.
I don't want to serve you because your gay which is wrong?
I don't want to serve you because your legally carrying a fire arm is ok?
Its the same thing,
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No, it is not the same thing, not by law. As a private business owner, I don't have to allow you to holy religious services, conduct political speeches, or operate a printing press on my property, despite those being civil rights.

Not the same thing.
 
Ozzieman Any time your rights are being infringed on its something we have to fight against....
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In that case you should be supporting the rights of the restaurant owner.
The Second Amendment (and the rest of the Bill of Rights) restricts the actions of GOVERNMENT, not private citizens.
 
Evan Thomas said:
A business owner generally has the right to refuse service to anyone on the basis of their behavior; whether that behavior is protected under the Bill of Rights is irrelevant, because the Bill of Rights places restrictions on what the government may do, not on what a private entity may do. Carrying a firearm is such a behavior.
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...and there it is right there, again.

There are Constitutional rights granted us in the BOR and there are Civil Rights granted us by laws and legislation.

It is a shame that far to many Americans were not taught the difference or were absent from class that day.

As pointed out, the BOR protects us from our Government and it's agents. It does not protect us from individuals, groups or businesses.

Those Rights come form Civil Rights legislation and NOT the Constitution.

So, far there is no Civil Rights legislation that protects a gun owner or a gun carrier, and there never will be.
 
Yes, often when you act like a bunch of ill-mannered teenagers people end up seeing you that way – funny how that works out. With ever changing demographics you would think people would try to win converts not push folks away. The population of the state has increased by something like ten million in the last decade. While some were obviously born there others are transplants who relocated for their job. Logic tells you that not all of these folks support the Second Amendment. I’m sure Texas will be fairly safe from any major State initiated restrictions for some time, but nothing is forever just ask those folks in Colorado. Public image does matter, so maybe we need to take the high road and let our foes waller in the sewer.
 
Winning the battle and losing the war..................:rolleyes:

People need to THINK TWICE before they hit "enter"; not a whole lot different than the yahoos who open carry an AR in Walmart; the idiotic actions of a few make us all looks like ignorant jerks. With the social media totally controlled by the socialist, anti-gun groups, did no one think how bad this would backfire?
 
Texas Monthly is a liberal rag and has been for at least the last 30 years. Their primary function, other than being a mouthpiece for the Texas Democratic party seems to be to provide a platform for plastic surgeons in Dallas, Austin & Houston to advertise.

Anyone who is actually from Texas hasn't taken anything Texas Monthly has advocated seriously since Dolph Briscoe was governor. :rolleyes:
 
It doesn't look to me like the original facebook post by Kyle Kelly was nasty. He stated his case succinctly. His one-star review of the place probably was a bad idea, although it's useful information for other prospective customers that if they are carrying, they are not welcome.

Pi owner Lee Ellis is the one that went berserk. His response was totally uncalled for.

BTW, this appears to be a decision by one restaurant owner. I have eaten at 2 Pi locations in St. Louis and there were no signs. I carried concealed, and enjoyed fabulous pizza.
 
motorhead0922 said:
BTW, this appears to be a decision by one restaurant owner. I have eaten at 2 Pi locations in St. Louis and there were no signs. I carried concealed, and enjoyed fabulous pizza.
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From Brietbart.

He has doubled-down and was reported to say, “As a matter of fact, now I think I’m going to put the signs up on my businesses that I don’t serve alcohol, because I don’t really care about these people.”

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/28/houston-pizzeria-tells-gun-rights-fans-fk-off/

Not sure if his "other businesses" are other Pi Pizza locations, or not. Maybe he owns the ones you visited in the past. If so, they will soon have No-Guns signs as well.
 
HIS business, HIS choice to do so; as for the alcohol bit, I watched one restaurant not serving alcohol change its tune real fast when they had competition move in and offering beer and wine, they changed real fast as business crashed.

Pizza restaurants are the most prolific restaurant type in the US; if you like pizza and want to carry, go somewhere else
 
It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).
 
It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).
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Nothing fancy about it. It is quite simple. My individual right is more important than yours!:cool:
 
Lohman446 It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).
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Hogwash!
Nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights grants anyone a right to "individual firearms ownership" when ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

There is no gray area. The Bill of Rights applies to GOVERNMENT actions and protects us from GOVERNMENT.

Those who cry about "My rights!!!!" often happily ignore the rights of others.
 
Remember Walter Palmer? A year or so ago, he killed a lion in Zimbabwe. It was a huge piece of manufactured social media outrage for a couple of weeks.

Palmer had a dental practice. During that time, people went on his Yelp page and flooded it with one-star "reviews," which were actually just rants about the perceived injustice of his actions. Yelp deleted them, as they weren't actual reviews of his practice.

People responded by posting one-star "reviews" claiming actual deficiencies in his practice. These "reviews" were obviously not written by actual clients, yet they claimed all sorts of malpractice and fraud. That's libel.

More to the point, it just looks petty and childish. Spamming a business' reviews doesn't really do anything about the problem. It just ensures that the owner will likely dig in his heels on the matter, thus losing any chance at getting the policy changed.
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I see your point, but I must debate it.

Hunting in Africa does not affect your dental care, unless you are trying to schedule when he is away.

A "no guns" sign makes the restaurant more dangerous and less inviting to CCW permit holders. Therefore a one star review is reflective of the owner specifically telling the reviewer he is not allowed in the place with his ccw. That was the point of the one star reviews. Did any of them say the pizza sucks, even though I never ate any? People got to learn to read.

5000 1 star reviews by people who never ate the pizza should be ignored. If they don't apply to you. Some people may want to eat pizza in a place that bars law abiding citizens from carrying.
 
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