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Anyone here ever call a firearm a "tool"? Pesticides, or medicine, as I like to call them are "tools" which enable safe, efficient production, if properly used. Pharmaceutical manufacturers produce the majority of pesticides. Ready to pass on that "man-made" anesthesia next surgery?

Other than the 52% cost increase for growing "nice produce", here is another reason to pass. Just the science please:

Organic food? No thanks!

Dennis T. Avery in American Outlook, Fall 1998
Copyright 1998 Wall Street Journal
December 8, 1998

According to recent data compiled by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC), people who eat organic and
"natural" foods are eight times as likely as the rest of the population to be attacked by a deadly new strain of E.coli
bacteria (O157:H7). This new E.coli is attacking tens of thousands of people per year, all over the world. It is
causing permanent liver and kidney damage in many of its victims. . . .

Consumers of organic foods are also more likely to be attacked by a relatively new, more virulent strain of the
infamous salmonella bacteria. Salmonella was America's biggest foodborne death risk until the new E.coli O157
came along.

Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use manure as the
major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that
are afflicting and killing so many people.

Organic farmers compound the contamination problem through their reluctance to use antimicrobial preservatives,
chemical washes, pasteurization, or even chlorinated water to rid their products of dangerous bacteria. One
organic grower summed up the community's attitudes as follows: "Pasteurization has only been around a hundred
years or so; what do you think people did before that?"

The answer is simple. They died young.
 
PETA's emotional appeal is too comfortable for you to be troubling us with facts G-Freeman! Gaia hath spoken!

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"I don't believe in individualism, Peter. I don't believe that any one man is any one thing which everybody else can't be. I believe that we are all equal and interchangeable."--Ellsworth Toohey
 
One day I was trout fishing at a public pond. This is a place the state stocks with trout. I have been fishing this pond in my town for twnty something years. Well I had an 8lb brown trout on and he spooled me 3 times. All the while quite a crowd was growing around me. All of the people were excited especially when the fish was close and they saw how big it was. All except these two women "partners". One started yelling at me saying "how would you like it if you had ahook in your mouth" , and "I gonna come down there and hook you". Well I told her that she should mind her own business, That I don't tell her and "partner" not to kiss and hold hands in public. I also told her that our state has laws against harrassing fisherpeople ;) and hunters. So she freaks out comes through the crowd and down the embankment and tries to cut my line. So I threw her a hip-check and sent her into the drink. Everyone else laughed at her and started clapping. I landed my fish and went home :). Next timme I saw her walking around the pond she walked away and did'nt open her mouth.
 
duck hunt,

An organism which is not aware of its own existence has no consciousness.
At this stage of pregnancy, abortion has no more ethical quandries than wisdom tooth extraction.
But this is no longer the argument. The argument now is not about when life begins, but psychotic levels of denial of the existence of life.
A developing human has as much right to life as any other human.
With partial birth abortions, a child with one toe in the birth canal can have his or her brains sucked out by a doctor, and we're asked to believe that this isn't murder.
Advocates of the right of mothers to choose this complain about how pro-life people have a "love affair with the fetus," as if it were no more significant than an appendix.
That should scare the daylights out of everyone.

In this context, it's easy to see how Pete Singer's ideas dovetail quite neatly into the whole abortion agenda,
how with PETA psychotic assertions that "a cow is a puppy is a boy" human beings born and human beings waiting to be born are seen as malignancies, and the process of dehumanization is complete.

This is a matter of serious ethical consideration quite outside the religious context.

A society which accepts these propositions must necessarily be composed of psychopaths and killers. The concept of rights is removed from consideration, and only the strong can survive. In such a society people see each other as predators and prey, which is what PETA ultimately wants, no matter how much they wish to avoid recognizing the ultimate conclusions of their philosophical presuppositions.



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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!
 
G-Freeman, and how many people have contracted E-coli by eating organic crops ?

I wash and cook all my meat and vegetables, which while not as effective as DDT, is still the main reason "people live longer" and is not nearly as toxic.

I haven't had surgery recently, but I don't think anastheseologists have any pesticides in their lineup. Mostly barbituates made from certain plant species.

I'll relate an additional fishing story. I used to live in an area that had 12-20 pound choho jumping left and right in the stream by my house. Couldn't eat them though, all the pesticides used by local farmers had rendered them toxic.

Organic farmers do pasteurize their products. And while they do not employ the cheap and toxic methods of mass producers, they take steps to prevent deadly bacterial growth. If they didn't they would be sued and put out of business by all customers who had been poisoned. Hmmm seems to me the industry is still going strong....

Manure is used as a fertilizer by everyone, and to suggest that it is the reason for bacterial contamination seriously hurts your argument.

So go ahead, don't wash that apple or cook that egg, But don't complain to me when your liver is nothing more than badly chewed piece of beef jerky and your going through Chemo.
 
Hmmm. I wonder what PETA thinks about orcas killing seals without eating them, or female cheetahs maining prey so that her cubs could practice chasing, hunting down, and killing it or ants harvesting excretions from exploited aphids? Maybe they can make microscopic picket signs and hold them with tweezers and protest against the ants at a local garden.

- Ron V.
 
Sometimes fact is stranger than reputation!

In my previous career I was Store Director (General Manager) for PetSmart. Part of the store operating plan included donating a space for the rescue shelters to adopt out strays to customers on the weekends. No big deal. One of the rescue groups had members who were DEEPLY involved with PETA. I knew of their reputation, but so far had not witnessed anything with which I could banish from my store. Untill...

The group leader tells a customer that she MASTERBATES the poor male cats which haven't been nutered, to relieve their frustrations!!

I Knew they were all kind of kooky to begin with. But ???

I kicked that group out pronto before they started telling the customers they ought to sleep with there pets!!!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Espresso:
The group leader tells a customer that she MASTERBATES the poor male cats which haven't been nutered, to relieve their frustrations!![/quote]

Something tells me it wasn't the cat's frustration she was worried about.
 
Espresso, David Roberson,

The only thing I can add to you observations is that these PETA people are so insane that all you can say about them is that they're crazy as, as, as, someone really crazy.
It is truly frightening to think that they're walking the streets.
Words fail.

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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!

[This message has been edited by Munro Williams (edited March 15, 2000).]
 
Hey, MusclesMcGee! A CNN "factoid" the other day claimed that some 45%-50% of U.S. folks are overweight, with around 25% being classified as "obese". It ain't the gun store commandos, only. :)

Diet? Well, I love all meats--beef, deer, pork, fish, fowl...I'm going on 66 years, weigh 170 or so; 120 over 80; rest pulse 56...

Hmmm. I hear the call of some bratwurst...

:), Art
 
I'm with ya Munro. The only thing is, these primative barbarians who would force us all back into the Stone Age have convinced themselves that they are "enlightened."

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"I don't believe in individualism, Peter. I don't believe that any one man is any one thing which everybody else can't be. I believe that we are all equal and interchangeable."--Ellsworth Toohey
 
Finest tasting beef I've ever had was some top sirloin cuts of "Kobe beef" while living in Japan. Flip side - an American expat I knew told me I really didn't want to know all the drugs they jacked their cattle up with. I decided yep, I didn't want to know, and enjoyed my steak...

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
 
There are plenty of PETA people and vegetarians who eat jello. Take a look at the ingredients in gelatin. Awww, poor animals are gelatin too.
 
Let's say their ad campaign does convince people to stop drinking milk. What will happen to all those unneeded dairy cows? They will get slaughtered! Some service for the poor bovines!

As for gelatin: five years ago or so they did try to ban production of photo film because it uses gelatine from cows in the base.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>There are plenty of PETA people and vegetarians who eat jello. Take a look at the ingredients in gelatin. Awww, poor animals are gelatin too.[/quote]

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a "PETA person" who eats gelatin. PETA people are pretty hard-nosed about *all* animal products, including honey -- and gelatin isn't even questionable; it's just straight up non-vegetarian.

Vegetarians who eat gelatin are like vegetarians who eat chicken -- they're NOT VEGETARIANS.


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[This message has been edited by duck hunt (edited March 16, 2000).]
 
Around 20 yrs ago..

The was a rancher along I-80 near the CA-NV border.

This guy raised various species of game birds..quail, pheasant, turkey, etc. Restaurants bought them, the State bought them for re-stocking wilderness areas, ranch/property owners bought them, etc.

These PETA folks decide to "liberate" all these birds (1000's of them). Rather than a direct approach, they stopped along the freeway and cut the fences there. Well, damn, the not so dumb birds don't want to escape onto the freeway so they stay put.

The frustrated PETA folk run into the pens, screaming, chasing and panic the birds...they take off onto the freeway....blood, guts, feathers, parts, skidding cars all over the place.

In the immortal words of Mr. Carlson..."As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!



[This message has been edited by DC (edited March 16, 2000).]
 
Well, this is a pretty amusing thread. :)

And, Kathryn, I for one enjoy your sense of humor, and your honesty.

The specialist ... your story was great! And, it illustrates the true emotional makeup of so many who would prohibit others from hunting, eating meat, possessing firearms, etc.

Ultimately, people who are willing to coerce others are dangerous people, IMHO - I have come to be believe that they fear gun owners (for example) because in their own hearts they feel violent towards others.

One thing about groups of nutcases like PETA, just give them time, and they'll come up with another example of their insanity.
 
Muscles,

I didn't intend to imply that anesthesia contain pesticides, but that this tool is a vast technological improvement over biting down on a leather strap :).

I would hope that rest of the operating room was drenched in certain "pesticides" that control undesirable organisms. If I were to apply an quaternary amine blend to the hospital floor and equipment, I would be "disenfecting". If I applied the same solution to greenhouse bedding plants to control powdery mildew I have made a "pesticide application".

I too go to the gym and if I were to get carless and contract a dose of athletes foot, I would go to the pharmacy, pick up a tube of cream, and apply it directly to my body. If I apply essentially the same active ingredient to a field crop, wearing full PPE, I have applied a "pesticide". Both contain the same fungicide. One is medicine = good, one is inorganic farming = bad.

I won't try to tell someone what to eat anymore than I would what type of guns they should be allowed to own. Organic produce is not guaranteed to be any healthier than methods which involve the proper use of chemical tools. In fact, my doctor has prescribed a few for me at times :).
 
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