Permitless Carry States and Those Trying Info

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Gary Slider

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Getting a lot of questions about Permitless Carry With Montana, Utah and Tennessee having bills to do just that. Not guaranteed passage but things do look promising. Other states are talking about it but haven’t put in a bill as far as I can tell. People seeing our listing and asking in an email to conform that it is correct with some even stating that Permitless Carry in XYZ State is not legal and we are going to get people thrown in jail. Have also seen this question on some firearm forums. So thought I would post some information and places to find info.

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have “Permitless Carry.” Anyone who can legally possess a firearm may carry concealed in these states without a Permit/License

North Dakota and Wyoming have “Permitless Carry” for their Residents only.

Some of these states require U.S Citizenship for their Permitless Carry statute to apply and a couple have restrictions on those carrying under Permitless Carry that those with a permit don’t have. You need to check out a state if you are going to carry under Permitless Carry. You can view a listing with a short synopsis of their law for Permitless Carry and a link to that statute at

https://handgunlaw.us/documents/Permitless_Carry_States.pdf This listing also makes each states name a link to that states page at https://www.handgunlaw.us which will give you more information. The link for Permitless Carry states is also available in the left column at https://www.handgunlaw.us

Link for Montana Bill
https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2021/billhtml/HB0102.htm

Link for Tennessee Bill
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/112/Bill/HB0018.pdf

Link for Utah Bill
https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0060.html
 
But..but...but....the streets will run red!!! :eek:

And..and...and....I might be seated or standing next to someone with a GUN and I wouldn't even KNOW it!!! :eek:

Oh the horror, the horror...
 
DaleA said:
And..and...and....I might be seated or standing next to someone with a GUN and I wouldn't even KNOW it!!! :eek:
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And on top of that, I fail to realize that the dangerous criminals are already doing this and should be the ones I am worried about...
 
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia have “Permitless Carry.” Anyone who can legally possess a firearm may carry concealed in these states without a Permit/License
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Don't believe that statement is factual. Problem I see is "ANYONE WHO CAN LEGALLY POSSESS A FIREARM....."

Two examples:
ARIZONA: Effective date for Permitless Carry: July 29, 2010 Any person 21 years of age or older who can legally possess a firearm can carry a concealed handgun in the State of Arizona without a permit.

However, per AZ law, anyone over 18 can LEGALLY own a handgun and I believe can carry open. Therefore by law, they cannot carry concealed but can legally possess a firearm (handgun).

KANSAS: Effective date for Permitless Carry: July 1, 2015 Any person 21 years of age or older who can legally possess a firearm can carry a concealed handgun in the State of Kansas without a permit.

Kansas has no laws against and 18 year old from owning a handgun.


Sure there are other examples too....

Suggest edit to something like:
Anyone, over 21 years of age in all states listed and in some states over 18 years of age who can legally possess a firearm may carry concealed in these states without a Permit/License. Refer to actual text found at https://www.handgunlaw.us
 
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RETG said:
....Suggest edit to something like:
Anyone, over 21 years of age in all states listed and in some states over 18 years of age who can legally possess a firearm may carry concealed in these states without a Permit/License. Refer to actual text found at https://www.handgunlaw.us
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Emphasis on last part supplied. Ummm. Unless I'm mistaken, the OP (Gary Slider) runs handgunlaw.us.
 
Hmm..Looking to move to Oaklahoma. I thought you needed a permit, but Oalahoma just became more attractive.
 
Is it still a felony to be on public property within 1000 feet of a school without a State issued license/permit?
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https://www.gunlaws.com/Gun_Free_School_Zones_Act.pdf

Still in effect. Scroll down to (q):
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

And it's not just "a" state issued license/permit. It has to be issued by the state in which the school is located. That's the big "gotcha" to permitless carry laws and reciprocal recognition of out-of-state permits. If I have a Florida permit that's recognized in Texas (it is, I checked) but I don't have a Texas permit, I'm in violation of the federal law if I go armed within 1000 feet of a school zone in Texas.
 
So those States that no longer issue, require a permit or license are subjecting a significant number of its citizens to felony charges, just for driving or walking within 1000 feet of a school.
 
Is anyone aware of any prosecutions for violations of the 1000 ft from a school rule?

This past summer, a very large group of out of state people marched right by a Kentucky high school while open carrying (the NFA coalition during the Briana Taylor protests in Louisville). To my knowledge, there wasn't a single prosecution.
 
steve4102 said:
So those States that no longer issue, require a permit or license are subjecting a significant number of its citizens to felony charges, just for driving or walking within 1000 feet of a school.
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Yes ... but I suspect the legislators in those states (most of them, anyway) aren't even aware of the federal law. They more than likely perceive permitless carry as being consistent with the Second Amendment (which, IMHO, it is). It's the Gun Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) that's inconsistent with the Second Amendment.

This is the problem with too many laws. The number of gun laws on the books (between state, federal, and I guess local) was estimated at more than 20,000 several years ago, and I'm sure since that number was first thrown out there have been more gun laws passed than have been repealed. What many of these laws have in common is that they aren't routinely enforced. Instead, they are used as add-on charges when a person is arrested for something else.

If we parse things down to essentials, the purpose of having laws against certain activities is supposed to be to prevent those things from happening. They can't be 100% effective, of course, but how many more murders or bank robberies would we likely see if we didn't have laws making those things illegal? But anyone with an IQ higher than refrigerator temperature knows that it's illegal to rob a bank or to murder someone. How many people know that it's illegal to have a loaded firearm within 1,000 feet of any school if you don't have a permit?

Years ago I came across a site that showed maps of all the school zones in several major cities around the country. Remember, the law includes public, private, and parochial (church) schools, and the 1,000 feet extends outward not from the school building but from any part of the school's property. In many cities, you could drive through the city on an interstate highway and violate the law twenty times by the time you went from one end of the city to the other -- and you wouldn't have any way of knowing where all those schools are located. It's not like they post signs on I-5 through Los Angeles warning travelers when they are entering a GFSZ.

[Edit to add] GFSZ map of san Francisco:
http://threepercenternation.com/wp-...06/San-Francisco-Gun-Free-School-Zone-Map.jpg
 
ghbucky said:
. Is anyone aware of any prosecutions for violations of the 1000 ft from a school rule?

This past summer, a very large group of out of state people marched right by a Kentucky high school while open carrying (the NFA coalition during the Briana Taylor protests in Louisville). To my knowledge, there wasn't a single prosecution.
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The fact that there are no, or very few arrests and prosecutions doesn’t make it any less illegal.
 
I would still get a LTC (license to carry), at least this way I can travel to states that have reciprocal laws with my state and won't have to worry .
 
ms6852 said:
I would still get a LTC (license to carry), at least this way I can travel to states that have reciprocal laws with my state and won't have to worry .
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Sorry, but you do still have to worry. Please review the law -- I posted the link in post #10. The law says the permit has to be issued by the state in which the school is located, so being in another state that recognizes your home state permit doesn't give you any protection under the GFSZ Act. This is the primary reason why I carry a pocket full of permits.
 
Stiofan said:
And now Montana joins the list.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...e-signs-permitless-carry-legislation-into-law

I can't quite figure out if this extends to non-residents or just Montana residents.
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They are linking MT to other Constitutional Carry states... so it likely is all people that are not prohibited from possessing a firearm.

ME is Constitutional Carry, happening prior to me moving up here. I still got the carry permit. A few reasons, but mainly to be able to leave a loaded pistol in my vehicle (AR pistol, specifically). Other positives for the permit include being able to carry in certain parks that Constitution Carry does not cover.

I’m Federal L/E, so should be good in most situations... but it is another layer of coverage. I probably won’t apply for other permits, but keeping the ones I already have (ME, NH, FL, and AZ).
 
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