Penetration with 'Low-Recoil' buckshot?

KG, Nope... I just was makin' sure my opinion was clear and that I wasn't knockin' LR rounds as I have no experience and my satisfaction with the regular 00 full power fits my spartan, utilitarian approach... Just like not using any gun but a mossberg for shotgunning nor super duper sights etc...:D Heck, I need a shorter barrel for the 12 gauge maverick and will buy the basic cyl choke in 18 or 20 inch so it serves my HD needs... that is unless I trip over a good deal on an accuchoke like new with tubes.
Brent
 
I'd suspect that Federal Tac. 00 buck with plated shot would have as much penetration at low recoil velocity as lead shot would with standard.

At those ranges so close that pattern isn't an issue, then neither is the velocity difference. The Ranger uses lead shot, and would tend to deform more, while penetrating less--sounds like a good trade off to me, while offering excellent followup shot capability.

Federal's FliteControl wad tightens up patterns to a somewhat incredible degree. At 10 yds, one hole. About the same at 15. At 25 yds, about 7X9" thru my Scattergun Tech cyl bore.

Hornady Tap uses the exact same wad, producing the same tight patterns, but uses lead instead of plated.

Winchester Ranger is the mildest recoiling of all of them and is excellent for home defense using lead shot that Chrono's at 1107 fps. from 18" bbl.

My own testing showed this ammo to produce patterns tight enough for effectiveness at 15 yds. thru my cyl. bore. Sorry, but my testing didn't include penetration. Have heard of no complaints with re: to street results for Ranger lead 00 buck at lower velocity. It's pleasant to shoot and procuces patterns much bigger than FliteControl ammo, but still tighter than standard buck at 1300 fps.


Fed. Tac 00 8 pellet Chrono's at 1160 fps. Older stuff without FliteControl. 18" bbl.

Win. Ranger LE, 1107 fps. bbl. length 18".

Fed. Tac LE132-00 with FliteControl Chrono's at 1124 fps. 18"bb.
I believe all Federal Tactical ammo now uses FliteControl wad. This wad doesn't release the shot until it's gone done range a ways. The choke has no influence on the pattern size at all.

All tactical ammo works fine on the street for LE. The 8 pellet loads are created for bureaucratic agencies that mandate 8 pellets instead of nine, perhaps because they feel that 8 pellets produce better patterns. My own testing doesn't indicate that, but the 8 pellet loads work fine, also.

Low recoil buck has penetrated just fine on the street, but standard velocity is readily available for those who want more penetration at the expense of more muzzle blast, more recoil, and bigger patterns. Not a good trade of IMO.

Yes, it's true that low recoil buck was, at least to some extent, developed with wimpy police recruits in mind, but the stuff has proven it'self on the street where it counts.
 
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You're welcom, Mike.

My HD shotgun is loaded with Ranger or Fed. Tac 8, or 9 pellet.

When I grab my "travel" shotgun and go, I prefer the same as above for the first two rds, followed by Fed. FliteControl 00 buck 9 pellet, LE132-00

Federal actually developed that wad to extend the range for all those police cyl. bore shotguns. Hope those guys remember to get their beads on the target in close.

Federal is even developing, or has, already, a buckshot load that doesn't release the shot until it hits the target. Not sure what special purpose it fills, but I imagine the bowling pin effect would be dynamic.:cool:
 
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I keep my Mossy 590 loaded with Low Recoil 00 Buck. I did some patterning tests at the range with 3 brands at 10 yards:

Federal Flitecontrol - 1" pattern
Remington low recoil - 3" pattern
Foicchi low recoil - 5" pattern

I put a limbsaver on it, and I consider it good to go.
 
Legasat, thanks for the info!

I've got the Federal L.E. with "Flight COntrol", it's out now and some standard Remington 00 hunting type Buckshot is back in, who wants a 1" pattern? Might as well be shooting slugs.
But I do plan on obtaining some other Low Recoil buckshot, thanks for the informative info.
 
who wants a 1" pattern? Might as well be shooting slugs.

All buckshot loads have a "one inch" pattern at some range. And all get too thin at some point, also.

FliteControl simply extends the effective range of cylinder bore (actually all) shotguns. Yes, the range where you "might as well be shooting slugs" increases, but it's that way with all HD loads anyway at typical HD ranges, and the range at which you have a pattern that's still tight enough to be effective, increases, also.

There's a tradeoff either way you go.
 
KG, The key word is "law enforcement".. They need an increased range for 00 buck as a "man stopper" since they may be needing a 40 yard shot. But for HD/SD I personally don't want any more spread. If was laying cover fire at 20 yards or more the spread would come in handy. In the house I want a hole big enuff to drive a john deere thru without getting it bloody...
Brent
 
that makes sense Brent, yea a bank robber or something

encounter where LE is across the street kind of thing ("HEAT" movie was just on the other night), you make a valid point, which ends the validity of a LE type shell for home defense. I was just looking for a low recoil 00 without the flight control pattern etc etc.
 
lowrecoil vs standard load

when your in the prediciment you won't know or feel a difference because your body and mind are "ALL JUKED UP", believe me... after the mess is cleaned up if you have a family, you will most liklely move. it's a very bad experience.
 
theboxoftruth says birdshot leaves too shallow a round to get more than an inch or so under the skin--definitely not a stopper.

The Box of Truth is mistaken. Ballistic gel tests show that low brass, 2 3/4 inch dove shot (7 1/2) will penetrate 6 inches when fired from 10 feet. That's quite fatal if you put it in the center of mass.

As I always say, at home defense ranges, anything coming out of a 12 gauge barrel is going to be lethal, including most "non-lethal" or less than lethal rounds. Use whatever you like.
 
There are two ways to reduce recoil of a shotshell filled with buckshot.
  1. Decrease velocity
  2. Decrease the number of pellets
The Winchester "low recoil" shotshell ammunition pictured uses 8 pellets instead of the customary 9 pellets. Velocity similar to traditional 9 pellet loads.

Whereas "low recoil" shotshell ammunition loaded with 9 pellets is usually propelled at reduced velocity. Penetration potential is not substantially affected by the lower velocity.

Cheers!
 
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