Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005

I suggest another, more topical, thread if you wish to continue this "discussion".
Nope - no desire to continue it. Someday, maybe 30 to 35 years from now, you'll encounter someone that's a "Student of the war on terror". Then you'll see what I mean about living thru the times vs studying them.

something akin to social engineering.
Andy,
You got that right! Between the public school system, and mandatory government service it looks like *they* have 3 of the four bases covered. This should really be an easy sell to the America public if you think about it.
Instead of sitting in a classroom or dorm, or sitting on a streetcorner doing nothing,,,,millions of 18 to 25 year olds will be drawing some form of paycheck....and along with the paycheck the mandatory deduction for social security.
 
The draft is needed now more then ever, and will indeed come again perhaps
not next year but it will happen.
 
Hal,
Without addressing your specific position on the issue of the Soviet threat, or the opposing view, you'll have to do more than claim "well, I lived during ________, so I know more about it than you do" to be taken seriously.

Coexistence does not necessarily grant knowledge or understanding in any measure. You no doubt know more than anyone how you felt during those times, and probably have a pretty good idea about how those around you felt, but simply living in those times does not give you any sort of insight any more than living today grants you insight into the whys, wherefores and what-ifs of today's political and national maneuvering. In fact, living during events can lead people to ignore facts learned afterwards where said facts conflict with the view they held during the events in question.

Now, it is entirely possible that you have first-hand knowledge that cannot be found in any book or notebook or report, and you may well know as much about the subject as any person living, but if you do you can cite your experience better than "I read those newspapers the day they came out instead of fourty years later, which means I know what they say better than you."

As to the point of this thread, I don't believe any nation has the right to exist through slavery. If there is a true threat to the continuation of the United States, people will volunteer to place their bodies between danger and their homeland. If they don't, then the nation will reap every bit of what it deserves.

Resorting to enslaving young men and sending them off to unwillingly put their lives on the line is not a moral way of saving a country.
 
There won't be any draft. The military doesn't want it, the politicians will run from it and the voters won't stand for it.

Screw Rangel and Hollings.
 
Bet they won't be "running from it" after this election is over and done. And they won't give a dam about "what the military" thinks about it.
 
Not only will politicians run from it; if they support it, they will be run out of office. I predict that if this country initiates a draft and actually begins forced conscription, we well see mayhem, violence and upheaval in society and in the streets the likes of which we have not witnessed since the 60's. The majority of youth in this country will not involuntarily serve in a military which is involved in, what many of them think is, a 'war for oil' international crime. There are not enough courts nor prison cells to deal with the overwhelming numbers of people who will actively, directly oppose the draft.
 
I now have a 17 year old son. If the draft were re-enstated I would encourage him to enlist in either the Navy or Air Force.
Sisco

Have him look into the Coast Guard . Specifically the Swimmer Program . When folks get into trouble (civilian and military) these guys show up to save lives . They are heroes every day AND are risking their lives for other Americans . Just look into it . BTW , it's not for the faint of heart .
 
Today's L.A. Times has a lead story about how the Defense Department is extending the service obligations of all those active duty and reserve combat personnel whose units are slated to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan. Said personnel will be prohibited from completing their contracted period of service or retire! Their period of service will be extended. For how long it did not say. The draft is coming, folks, by the spring of next year. Certainly NOT before the election. And I have an 18 year old with long hair that an Army barber (aka "Boot Camp Butcher") would just love to get a hold of.
 
Today's L.A. Times has a lead story about how the Defense Department is extending the service obligations of all those active duty and reserve combat personnel whose units are slated to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

This was done during the first Gulf War in 1991 and during Kosovo in 1999 as well. It is pretty much standard practice during a conflict not to rotate troops in and out of a unit as if you were at peace. It makes it difficult to conduct operations when 1/3 of your unit is changing personnel over the course of a one year tour.

When you enlist in the military, regardless of your active duty commitment (2,4, or 6 years) you sign a contract for EIGHT years. At the end of your normal active duty commitment, you can usually return to civilian life and you remain in the Individual Ready Reserve subject to call up until your entire eight year commitment is fufilled - or in this case, the military can issue a stop-loss order and your transition to the IRR can be delayed awhile.

The draft is coming, folks, by the spring of next year.

There is not going to be any draft. Not by spring of next year, not for a long time afterward. Name the amount of money you feel comfortable losing and I'll make a bet with you that by this time next year - no draft.

Before you do that though, you should know that during the 80s we supported a military that had 800,000 more men than today's military does using an all-volunteer force. Finally, the Pentagon doesn't want a draft:

Conscription Threatens Hard-Won Achievements and Military Readiness by the Office of Undersecretary of Defense (Personnel and Readiness)

And I have an 18 year old with long hair that an Army barber (aka "Boot Camp Butcher") would just love to get a hold of.

Unless he enlists, I don't see that happening.
 
I sincerely hope you're right, Bart. Interestingly enough, however, Col. David Hackworth in his book, "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts", touted the performance of citizen soldier draftees in his unit in Vietnam. It would be great if force limits could be lifted and the all volunteer force could increase to the size we need. Don't know, though, in the middle of a conflict. For many during peace time the military was viewed as a federally funded job corps with subsequent benefits for education and, therefore, a desirable opportunity.
 
Gettin' old

Up until last week end I had some good ideas about this here Iraqi problem . I was thinking that a lot of vets (like me) were getting frustrated at the rate of progress there . The fact that they stopped fighting to talk for a while infuriated me to no end . I figured that me and a bunch of Nam vets could volunteer to go over and make short work of this deal . Turn these "problem places" into LZ's RIGHT NOW ! Well , something happened . I got on the roof of a week end place we have over in AZ to do some roof repairs . Sliding up and down , bending over while walking up and down the roof , kneeling a thousand times to inspect the shingles and generally working hard . The next morning everything I had was hurting . So I must amend my offer . I will go BUT don't expect the 30 and 40 hour humps to get out of "Injun" country . How about I ride shotgun on "Puff"?
 
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