Pedersoli Hawken?
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Model12Win
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Mehavey, yes I am located a couple hours away from a Cabela's. Next time I'm in there I'll def pop in and see what they've got!
My concern about the Lyman GPR is that it isn't historically accurate enough in terms of design and finish. I know the Pedersoli has the browned barrel, color case hardened parts, and the maple stock all which I like and see historically accurate. I'm willing to tinker and modify the gun if need be to some extent if the Gemmer sights don't do well with my eyes.
I just have a lot of anxiety about getting a GPR... I am a huge history buff and when I shoot black powder, I want to be as authentic as I can but of course still have to mind my finances so can't spend a dime over $1000 for the gun.
My concern about the Lyman GPR is that it isn't historically accurate enough in terms of design and finish. I know the Pedersoli has the browned barrel, color case hardened parts, and the maple stock all which I like and see historically accurate. I'm willing to tinker and modify the gun if need be to some extent if the Gemmer sights don't do well with my eyes.
I just have a lot of anxiety about getting a GPR... I am a huge history buff and when I shoot black powder, I want to be as authentic as I can but of course still have to mind my finances so can't spend a dime over $1000 for the gun.
FrontierGander
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original hawkens had blued barrels that were browned from rust over time is what the hawken shop told me.
You wont get 100% accurate with either rifle PERIOD. The only way to get 100% accurate is custom made.
You wont get 100% accurate with either rifle PERIOD. The only way to get 100% accurate is custom made.
Model12Win
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Oh!
Well... I guess... I'm still really confused.
I love me some Pedersoli... but am unsure if the Lyman GPR is the better gun. Really I am wanting whichever one is the best and most authentic, price is not an issue between the two now.
Well... I guess... I'm still really confused.
I love me some Pedersoli... but am unsure if the Lyman GPR is the better gun. Really I am wanting whichever one is the best and most authentic, price is not an issue between the two now.
Pedersoli makes them look pretty, but that does not necessarily equate to better quality or more authentic. Custom is the only way to get a real authentic looking rifle..period. I am not a fan of Pederrsoli and personally wouldn't purchase another, but that's just me. I once purchased one of their Sharps rifles in 45/90 which wouldn't shoot paper plate siize groups at 25 yds. I slugged the barrel and found a .452 bore.....not only an accuracy problem, but downright dangerous. I sold it to a guy that wanted it only as a wallhanger and moved on.
I've never been a fan of Italian repos though, so maybe I was just predisposed to dislike it. Phony case hardening and iffy heat treating seem to be too obvious to me to be ignored.
I've never been a fan of Italian repos though, so maybe I was just predisposed to dislike it. Phony case hardening and iffy heat treating seem to be too obvious to me to be ignored.
And on the other side of the Pedersoli Sharps 45-70 coin at 100 yds...
As mentioned before Model12, go look on your own.
...and a 100-Yd PostIt Note on Pedersoli's 45-90 Rolling Block (same barrel manufacture/using black powder):
See http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5201812&postcount=18
(Which was a post series originally on annealing
As mentioned before Model12, go look on your own.
...and a 100-Yd PostIt Note on Pedersoli's 45-90 Rolling Block (same barrel manufacture/using black powder):
See http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5201812&postcount=18
(Which was a post series originally on annealing
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Not only have I read that the barrels were blued but also tapered not strait .
As to case hardening that’s a subject that gets thrown around a lot . Myself I tend to say most likely they were at least for the early rifles or concerning forged lock plates . Later when they began purchasing locks and barrels pre made , then most likely more along the line of Fire blued , Rust blued . ………….. Maybe browning if the customer requested it .
Casing doesn’t take as much work as a good rust blue and it improves the workings of the lock , IE quality . that’s what hawkens was said to be known for .
Again , as I said before , frankly neither the Pedersoli or the Lyman are anymore authentic then the other when you really get down to the nuts of it . Even though they are far more athentic then most other production rifles out there .
Quality wise , I also don’t think that a high priced pedersoli is more likely to be of higher quality
I would also say that going Custom does not guarantee a product that’s any better in quality or historically accurate . To get that your going to have to find a person who’s work is not only quality , but also who strives and often achieves “by measure of his piers “ a high level of authenticity and attention to detail ..
In doing so , you not going to say ; I want a representation of a hawkens gun .
If you do your more then likely going to be ask which Hawkens gun. The price would then be based on which gun your wanting . I can also pretty much guarantee your not going to get one that built by such a person for as cheep as the Pedersoil . Maybe a few hundred more but even that maybe stretching it ..
But then again , one never knows , there are a lot of very good up coming smiths and builders out there who just might take the challenge on .
As to case hardening that’s a subject that gets thrown around a lot . Myself I tend to say most likely they were at least for the early rifles or concerning forged lock plates . Later when they began purchasing locks and barrels pre made , then most likely more along the line of Fire blued , Rust blued . ………….. Maybe browning if the customer requested it .
Casing doesn’t take as much work as a good rust blue and it improves the workings of the lock , IE quality . that’s what hawkens was said to be known for .
Again , as I said before , frankly neither the Pedersoli or the Lyman are anymore authentic then the other when you really get down to the nuts of it . Even though they are far more athentic then most other production rifles out there .
Quality wise , I also don’t think that a high priced pedersoli is more likely to be of higher quality
I would also say that going Custom does not guarantee a product that’s any better in quality or historically accurate . To get that your going to have to find a person who’s work is not only quality , but also who strives and often achieves “by measure of his piers “ a high level of authenticity and attention to detail ..
In doing so , you not going to say ; I want a representation of a hawkens gun .
If you do your more then likely going to be ask which Hawkens gun. The price would then be based on which gun your wanting . I can also pretty much guarantee your not going to get one that built by such a person for as cheep as the Pedersoil . Maybe a few hundred more but even that maybe stretching it ..
But then again , one never knows , there are a lot of very good up coming smiths and builders out there who just might take the challenge on .
I'm literally sitting here looking at both of [one of] my two GPRs, and my Pedersoli Missouri River 45.
The Pedersoli [top] is of exceptional fit and finish in comparison. Unmistakable (and the barrel is browned).
The GPR [bottom] is no less functional & accurate (metal is blued)... and as I've said before, the best functional value for the money
With both in hand, it's the OP's call as to where to put his money.
The Pedersoli [top] is of exceptional fit and finish in comparison. Unmistakable (and the barrel is browned).
The GPR [bottom] is no less functional & accurate (metal is blued)... and as I've said before, the best functional value for the money
With both in hand, it's the OP's call as to where to put his money.
Model12Win
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Thanks!
Those are some pretty rifles!
I will wait for my final decision until I can examine and handle each one up close, hopefully Cabelas has both in stock.
One more quick question... what about the maple stocks available on the Pedersoli's? They are SO PRETTY!
! Are they historically accurate or are they just for looks? I'd really like one!
Those are some pretty rifles!
I will wait for my final decision until I can examine and handle each one up close, hopefully Cabelas has both in stock.
One more quick question... what about the maple stocks available on the Pedersoli's? They are SO PRETTY!
! Are they historically accurate or are they just for looks? I'd really like one!Model12Win
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Oh I see... what about the maple wood on the Pedersoli? Where the originals furnished as such?
> "...maple stock. Variations accepted as original are:
> one or two piece braised butt-plate, one piece
> poured pewter, or two piece braised nosecap,
> flat sided snail of J & S period or S. Hawken full
> scoop on patent breech, straight breech or slanted,
> 1 1/8" barrel straight or tapered or 1" straight
> octagonal barrel, and occasionally fancy wood
> and patchbox
http://www.thehawkenshop.com/hawken_rifles.htm
> one or two piece braised butt-plate, one piece
> poured pewter, or two piece braised nosecap,
> flat sided snail of J & S period or S. Hawken full
> scoop on patent breech, straight breech or slanted,
> 1 1/8" barrel straight or tapered or 1" straight
> octagonal barrel, and occasionally fancy wood
> and patchbox
http://www.thehawkenshop.com/hawken_rifles.htm
Model12Win
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Cool, thank you! I am originally from St. Louis so the Hawken is near and dear to my heart.
After reading that, it appears maple is the right kind of wood. I've read other reviews on the Pedersoli Hawken and I am leaning towards it. Cabelas has the Rocky Mountain Hawken in .54 w/ a 1-65" twist for round ball w/ maple stock for $949.99: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pedersoli-Rocky-Mountain-Hawken-Rifle/706019.uts
Is that a good price for one of these? Should I spring for it?
After reading that, it appears maple is the right kind of wood. I've read other reviews on the Pedersoli Hawken and I am leaning towards it. Cabelas has the Rocky Mountain Hawken in .54 w/ a 1-65" twist for round ball w/ maple stock for $949.99: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pedersoli-Rocky-Mountain-Hawken-Rifle/706019.uts
Is that a good price for one of these? Should I spring for it?
If that's the one (style-wise) that you want,
it's a very good price.
FIRST thing you do is put that nice wooden ramrod aside, and
get/take one of these to the range in your rifle's soft carry case:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/566/1/RAMROD-C-36-08
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/582/1/JB-54-8
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/570/5/RAMROD-S-6-8-B
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/118/1/ST-8
and this:
http://www.amazon.com/Traditions-Performance-Firearms-Muzzleloader-ramrod/dp/B0013R6IUK
it's a very good price.
FIRST thing you do is put that nice wooden ramrod aside, and
get/take one of these to the range in your rifle's soft carry case:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/566/1/RAMROD-C-36-08
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/582/1/JB-54-8
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/570/5/RAMROD-S-6-8-B
and one of these:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/118/1/ST-8
and this:
http://www.amazon.com/Traditions-Performance-Firearms-Muzzleloader-ramrod/dp/B0013R6IUK
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Model12Win
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Thank you so much Mehavey! I will certainly be getting those, I've heard it's not so good to use the ramrod that come with the gun as it can break. I can't wait to get my possibles bag put together... I still need alot of stuff though, thanks for the suggestions!
Would you say this Pedersoli Rocky Mountain maple Hawken is going to be a good gun? I LOVE the look, do you think it will be a good shooter and will last?
Would you say this Pedersoli Rocky Mountain maple Hawken is going to be a good gun? I LOVE the look, do you think it will be a good shooter and will last?
Model12Win
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Getting ready to buy the Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken in Maple Wood.
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