paypal and buying gun related items ?

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I have read and heard that if you buy anything gun related and pay for it using paypal that paypal will freeze your account because paypal is anti gun. Has anyone else heard this or know if this is true ?
 
If I were to bid on a gun holster auction on ebay. ....Before placing my bid. I will first ask the seller if they accepted Money Order, Debit /Credit Cards.
Most of the times it indicates payment options in the listing.
I personally do NOT get involved with any PayPal transactions.
I have heard of too many horror stories about them. And one is they are Anti-Gun.
 
The owners may be anti-gun, but so are scores of other companies we do business with every day.
I have heard the same stories.
I recently purchased a gun from a custom builder and paid via PP. It was only listed as merchandise. Ditto some scope rings and, on occasion, other items.
PP operates via a bank card system. My layman's opinion that their trying restrict otherwise free trade would be illegal.
 
graysmoke said:
If I were to bid on a gun holster auction on ebay. ....Before placing my bid. I will first ask the seller if they accepted Money Order, Debit /Credit Cards.
Most of the times it indicates payment options in the listing.
I personally do NOT get involved with any PayPal transactions.
I have heard of too many horror stories about them. And one is they are Anti-Gun.
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What sorts of horror stories? I've used PayPal for years and never had a problem. In fact, from a "just work and don't bother me" perspective, they're one of the best companies I've ever used.

You can buy many gun related items using PayPal. Their terms of use is, well, uselessly ambiguous... Simply stating that you may not use PayPal to purchase firearms "or certain firearm parts or accessories", with no further clarification.

Personally, I have used PayPal to buy many, many gun related items and never had a problem. Check ebay, virtually every gun related item on ebay is listed as accepting PayPal.

I also appreciate that on the rare occasions I get a raw deal from a seller PayPal backs me up, refunding my money every time.

I wish they weren't "anti-" but the supposed zeal with which they persecute gun owners is severely overblown.
 
I have bought a few gun-related items off eBay with my paypal and have had no issues. I have bought holsters and speed strips and stuff like that. I don't buy magazines off eBay because they have that stupid 10 round limitation put on them. I sell on eBay and have sold some gun related items and have received no hassle.

They just won't let you buy firearms with paypal. I have yet to see a OLGS (online gun store) that even accepts paypal.
 
PayPal is owned by eBay, so if they didn't allow their own 'bank' to pay for gun related items from their own auction site, they would be cutting their own throat...

Been on eBay since 98, and have recently bought two different sets of dies on eBay using PP...
 
guns are different than gun-related items like holsters or reloading equipment
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Yes, they are...

And back long before PayPal, eBay allowed sale of guns as long as all state, local, and federal laws were observed...

That ended some time in '99 IIRC...
 
One very negative thing about PayPal. In transaction disputes, they mostly side with the buyer.
And I know this saying to be fact - "BUYERS ARE LIERS"
Paypal will refund a buyer 7 times out of 10...with the buyer usualy keeping the item too....That is wrong, but it does happen a lot.
So, if your selling on ebay.?....beware.
If your buying.?..sometimes it can be in your favor more ways than one.
 
I have read and heard that if you buy anything gun related and pay for it using paypal that paypal will freeze your account because paypal is anti gun. Has anyone else heard this or know if this is true ?
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False. Paypal has strict rules on many things including firearms to protect both buyer and seller from frauds, however If you are buying something gun related such as accessories you have nothing to worry about with them. Many companies have to take pre-cautions when dealing with firearms to protect themselves from the government.

PS - I strongly believe that if ebay and paypal were anti gun that A) ebay would not allow the sale of magazines, holsters, or anything else firearm related and B) paypal would freeze transactions on those items.

(I am a power seller on ebay and they along with paypal have always worked out all the problems I have ever encountered)
 
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PS - I strongly believe that if ebay and paypal were anti gun that A) ebay would not allow the sale of magazines, holsters, or anything else firearm related and B) paypal would freeze transactions on those items.

(I am a power seller on ebay and they along with paypal have always worked out all the problems I have ever encountered)
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I don't think this is an accurate assumption. Even though they allow certain gun-related items, they're still needlessly restrictive, and even that is recent improvement. For instance, it's now ok to buy or sell mags, but of only 10 rd capacity or less.

The more likely explanation for allowing gun-related items has less to do with them being ok with guns and more to do with the fact that there is money to be made. It seems more like they are trying to balance their anti-gun stance against the potential profit to be made from the sales of gun-related items.

Look at it this way, if eBay allowed the sales of firearms (with the same stipulation that all buyers and sellers adhere to all applicable laws as is done by gun auction sites like gunbroker, auctionarms, and gunsamerica), it would be a huge cash cow. eBay and Paypal is actually a very well-designed system, extremely convenient, could make the gun auction experience more straightforward, and what's more, you'd have the convenience of buying your guns from the same auction site that you can get most anything else. If eBay fully allowed guns, it would likely overtake gunbroker, auctionarms, and gunsamerica overnight! They know this, but they don't do it. So they try to make what money they can from gun people by selling what they consider more innocuous items like holsters, slings, grips, mags with capacities less than 10, etc.

That said, I have used PayPal to buy gun accessories off eBay, including grips for pistols, holsters, a scope, and probably stuff along those lines; they didn't give me any trouble over any of it.
 
I wanted to buy a gun related item on ebay and pay with paypal, so I emailed the seller and he said paypal was fine for the item. He is a big time seller with thousands of feed back. Apparently ebay and paypal want his business.
 
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Pay pal, and their parent, EBay, are anti-gun when it comes to using their sites for buying and selling guns
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This........the thing that most people who have had their account revoked don't admit is that they bought/sold actual firearms using Paypal which is against the rules. I buy/sell parts and accessories all the time and never had an issue.

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they're still needlessly restrictive, and even that is recent improvement. For instance, it's now ok to buy or sell mags, but of only 10 rd capacity or less.
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Dicks Sporting Goods in NJ requires a firearms ID card for .223 ammunition because they believe it is handgun ammunition. They also impose stricter laws then the state does for purchasing firearms. Are they anti-gun as well because they are needlessly restrictive? Dick's sells guns and ebay does not, and both could be labeled "anti-gun" because of the needless restrictions That example is why I believe that just because ebay does not sell firearms does not mean they are anti gun. Just because someone sells something does not mean they believe in it - like bibles made in china.
 
I can't find a single car or truck for sale on EBay. Yet they sell plenty of accessories for the same. Does this make them anti motor vehicle?

Oddly they do sell motorcycles.

They will not allow the sale of certain items to some countries where the items are or may be restricted items under the laws of that nation. Some items are restricted to certain age groups in the U.S.

I do not have an expectation that EBay will adequately police all of this and more for the millions of items they do sell. hey do what they do and I am not disappointed or demand that they do what AuctionArms does.

I can buy a gun from an online gun auction site should I want. I don't demand EBay do it. Or get irritated with them if they don't

tipoc
 
Dicks Sporting Goods in NJ requires a firearms ID card for .223 ammunition because they believe it is handgun ammunition. They also impose stricter laws then the state does for purchasing firearms. Are they anti-gun as well because they are needlessly restrictive?
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I would say yes, they are. If there is no legal reason for them to impose restrictions and they still choose to, to me that suggests an anti-gun stance. I would guess, they are likewise trying to balance their relatively anti-gun stance against the fact that there is money to be made from gun customers. What reason would they have for imposing more restrictions than the law requires besides buying into anti-gun arguments?

I guess one could argue maybe they are trying to protect themselves from some sort of liability, but if every other gun shop in the state seems to do just fine without making the same rules, then that argument falls flat. Just as in the case of eBay, they may be trying to avoid liability somehow, yet gunbroker, auctionarms, etc all seem to do just fine so what is the difference? And if I know this, surely the folks at eBay do as well.

Of course whether it's eBay or Dick's Sporting Goods, it is a private business and if they want to adopt an anti-gun stance, it is their right to do so, no one is forcing anyone to shop there.
 
Macy's don't sell guns or ammo either. Sears used to sell both...a few decades back. The now defunct Montgomery Ward also used to sell both...then they stopped. K Mart don't sell Glocks. Neither Winn-Dixie nor Safeway sell ammo, but I can get a banana there.

Bothers me more that Utah and Ohio sell that rot gut 3.2 beer than that E Bay don't sell guns. Blue laws are a denial of a basic human right, that E Bay don't sell guns does not disallow me a thing.

tipoc
 
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