Patterning the Hatsan Escort Magnum for defense

[dreaming]

I think you are chasing shadows, if you think there is a load for indoors home defense and all tactical applications outside the home. There is a reason law enforcement carries pistols, shotgun that often hold slugs, and rifles. Not to mention those with special weapons like the snipers.

By a shadow I mean a load that is safe to shoot at a distance where it patterns at the width of a man without endangering others. At any distance you are always endangering others. I hope you mean a distance at which is less dangerous to shoot various loads.

 

[chardin]

And just HOW did you arrive at this solution? You are posting things on an internet blog that you are either unsure of or new at? Or am I missing something?

How did I arrive at my solution? You could read the blog post and find out. I laid out my reasoning there.

I am not always sure of my answers. Cheap certainty is easy to find on the Internet.

 

[chardin]

I think you are chasing shadows, if you think there is a load for indoors home defense and all tactical applications outside the home. There is a reason law enforcement carries pistols, shotgun that often hold slugs, and rifles. Not to mention those with special weapons like the snipers.

By a shadow I mean a load that is safe to shoot at a distance where it patterns at the width of a man without endangering others. At any distance you are always endangering others. I hope you mean a distance at which is less dangerous to shoot various loads.

Where did I say I wanted one load for all applications?

I wanted to find out how different loads behaved at different ranges. One purpose of knowing that is to make informed decisions for defensive use.

 

[chardin]

However, there 's no such thing as patterning for defense. There's just patterning so you know how your shotgun shoots at assorted distances.

So, if there's no such thing as patterning for defense, how come Louis Awerbuck spoke of the need to pattern one's shotgun with different loads at different ranges in his class on the tactical shotgun?

[Awerbuck] emphasized that unless you have patterned a specific shotgun with a specific type of buckshot at various ranges, it isn't a particularly good idea to use it as a defensive weapon.

Now, I've heard a lot of harrumphing in this thread about how not to do things. Some of it is directed at things I've described doing. Some of it is directed at misconstruals of things I've described doing. But very little of it amounts to much as an affirmative guide to what one should do.

So, I invite all of you to counter Mr. Awerbuck, who, although a world-famous shotgun expert, was after all one man. Appeals to authority cannot compare to facts and reason. Perhaps his ideas were dated. So step forth boldly and let's hear it: How would you test different types of shot in a defensive shotgun, and why?

 

[dreaming]

Someone who knows all the answers and accuses others, who are only trying to help him, of misconstruing him ought to learn to read. I was clearly not talking about shooting one load at different distances, but that any load endangers others at all distances, even if a particular load is less dangerous at certain distances.

 

[chardin]

I invited you to provide a view in contrast to that of Louis Awerbuck. I invited you to state a positive. You have instead chosen to harrumph a negative, which, as I pointed out, has little value.

I don't know the answers. I just know when I'm not getting answers worth a damn. Awerbuck advised a procedure to understand the defensive capabilities of a shotgun. Do you have another?