patch insert stuck

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mendozer

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So I used my bore guide for the first time tonight. The patch got stuck going through, no matter how hard I pushed and I couldn't pull it out either. So I made the idiot mistake of unthreading the rod from the insert, and now I can't get it back on, or figure out how to get the entire insert out now.

I've tried tapping it out from muzzle end to no avail. I've lubed it all up again with no help.

Help!
 
Search the threads. Seen this before but don't recall how it was removed. It may have involved a solvent or flame. Don't recall.
 
A: don't "lube it" anymore, that might swell the patch making it tighter.
B: either take it to a gunsmith or start looking for a brass rod as close to bore diameter as possible
C:don't try using a wooden dowel
D:before attempting removal, determine where the patch is and which way is closer to one end.
E: I've heard of folks heating the barrel in an attempt to "burn the patch out" but I wouldn't do this to one of my rifles.
 
I assume you were going in through the breech, so tap it out from the muzzle end. Usually once you get it to move an inch or so it comes out...usually. Try to thread that rod back on, without the bore guide so someone can be pulling on it while you tap from the muzzle end.if you dont have a brass rod you can try a hardwood dowel carefully...you dont want it to split and create a wedge in there. You map not need much pressure with the dowel is someone is also pulling on the cleaning rod, if you can thread it back on.
 
"...C: don't try using a wooden dowel..." It's actually DON'T USE A WOODEN DOWEL!!!!! snicker. Wood can get soaked with whatever solvent you used, swell and get stuck worse than any patch ever will.
Brass rod(1/4" for .30 cal. 3/8" for .45 cal.) and a plastic mallet from the muzzle.
Oh and it wasn't caused by the bore guide.
 
I know it's not caused by the bore guide, but the patch itself. They're the 3x3 squares and I guess it was just too big. I don't know why I can't thread it. I can feel it slipping into the threads a bit but it doens't bite. Odd since I unthreaded it straight out.
 
I had that happen in a 30-30. Husband took pump pellet rifle. No pellets and finally blew it out. We were afraid of damaging the crown.
 
3x3" square? I make a bore cleaning devise, it is impossible to lock up or jam up. And I cut my own patches. Before I would start with a 3X3" patch I would work up from 1 1/2 X 1 1/2" patches.

My jam free cleaner does not use patches.

F. Guffey
 
"Sulfuric acid or bleach will rot the cotton patch in short order, than clean
the bore as soon as the patch is out."

I'd try a lot of other options before going that route.
 
Not all acids attack all metals. The trick is to pick one that attacks fabric but not steel.
A while back someone tore an alloy bolt off inside a blind hole. it was removed by dissolving the alloy of the bolt without attacking the steel.
 
Clamp a rubber hose to the muzzle and clamp the other end onto the nozzle from an air compressor.

Stick some rags in the action to catch the plug when you blow it out
 
I'd modify that to run the hose into the breech end.
(Otherwise the OP is pushing/jamming the patch against a natural "sea anchor" expansion effect.
 
"Clamp a rubber hose to the muzzle and clamp the other end onto the nozzle from an air compressor"
You realize that the actual force applied depends on the bore in square inches X the air pressure. 100 psi in a .22 bore will net you about 3.8 # of force. I can apply far more force than that by striking a .20 brass rod with a 2# hammer.
 
I am in NO WAY suggesting that the poster should try this, but the experimenter in me wonders something. What if you were to load 1 grain of pistol powder into a case, top it off with compressed dry oatmeal, and fire that in the chamber. Would it clear the obstruction? Again, dont anybody try this please...this is hypothetical thinking and nothing more. I kinda would like to see Myth busters do something like this. Has anyone ever heard of this being done to clear an obstruction that's not forced too tightly in the bore such as what occurred here? A stuck bullet is obviously a different animal all together in how tight it is and how well it's sealing the bore given the bullet's diameter.
 
Take your air compressor and turn it up to 125 pound and use the nozzle with a rubber tip on it and blow it out. I have people come in with stuck bullets in the muzzle loaders all the time and I blow them out.
 
Seems I remember a story about a monkey that swallowed something or attempted to swallow something and choked or something else went wrong, anyhow, after that the monkey 'micked' everything before swallowing.

A 3"X3" patch plus the jag could be a little tight. I suggest you not thread the patch through the jag like threading thread through the eye of a needle. Reversing the patch causes it to fold over itself and increase in diameter. I suggest you simply push the patch through, if something goes wrong all you have in the barrel is the patch, not a jag with a patch threaded through it.

F. Guffey
 
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