Pat Robertson: A mind is a terrible thing to waste

I got some bellylaughs out of Robertson's claims a few years ago that his prayers caused Gawd to turn a hurricane away from the NC coast. Gimme a break!

Let's not talk about ethics and morality; let's talk about legalities. It's against the law to assassinate a foreign leader.
 
I think it may be time to stop religious defamation here even if it is meant as a joke.

Are you kidding? Some folks just wouldn't know what to post if they couldn't hold monologues on the evilness of some religions. For them, it's only religious defamation if you are in any way derogatory towards their religion, since that's the only True Religion. The idea of turning other religions' holy sites and cities into glass is a perfectly acceptable proposition without being defamatory, since those are just cults at best.. :rolleyes:

I remember now why we don't do religious content here on TFL...it always turns into a "My god can beat up their god" contest. For me, the threads of the recent months have just served as proof positive that religion is easily the most divisive and strife-ridden subject in history.

Take exception to a senile old salvation peddler's open call for the assassination of a democratically elected foreign leader, and be "derogatory towards religion".

Take exception to someone proposing the wholesale extermination of all Muslims, or the nuking of Mecca, and be a "terrorist sympathizer" who just doesn't understand that "we're in a religious war."

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. --Luke 6:42
 
Last time I checked, assassinating foreign leaders was illegal. Oh wait... I forgot about Iraq... Never mind. :rolleyes:

The US already has enough of a crappy reputation worldwide. All we need is for Robertson to make stupid comments like this publicly. Most Venezuelans I know now adore this man, but it still isn't right.

I think there ought to be a ban on these extremist preachers from running for office. Jerry Fallwell and Jessy Jackson come to mind as well. It doesn't matter anyways since they would be wasting their money anyways. I just don't think its right to be wasting hard earned offering money on stupid power trips.
 
George Stephanopoulos, in the December 1, 1997 Newsweek, explaining why Bill Clinton should have Saddam Hussein offed:
But what's unlawful -- and unpopular with the allies -- is not necessarily immoral. So now that I'm not in the White House, I can say what I couldn't say then: we should seriously explore the assassination option. Even though the current crisis may be subsiding temporarily, we don't know what the future holds. A direct attack on Saddam would no doubt be politically risky -- the president, concerned about his place in history, would be torn between the desire to get rid of a bully and the worry that an assassination plan gone awry would embarrass him late in his term. But the president should think about it: the gulf-war coalition is teetering and we have not eliminated Saddam's capacity to inflict mass destruction. That's why killing him may be the more sensible -- and moral -- course over the long run.

...A misreading of the law or misplaced moral squeamishness should not stop the president from talking about assassination. He should order up the options and see if it's possible. If we can kill Saddam, we should.
 
Last time I checked, assassinating foreign leaders was illegal. Oh wait... I forgot about Iraq... Never mind.
You forgot JF Kennedy too.

I think there ought to be a ban on these extremist preachers from running for office.
Go ahead and take a whack at the language required to write that federal code and explain how it remains Constitutional. :D
 
Butch50 said:
Go ahead and take a whack at the language required to write that federal code and explain how it remains Constitutional.

I think some language may already be in there since the requirements to show where political funding laws got tougher. I really hate to think that those parishioners think their money is going to help the needy.
 
Last time I checked, assassinating foreign leaders was illegal. Oh wait... I forgot about Iraq... Never mind.
We assassinated a leader in Iraq, which one?

The only recently former leader of Iraq I know of is in Iraqi custody awating trial by an Iraqi court
 
Bill Clinton fired $23 million worth of cruise missiles at the Iraqi Intelligence headquarters in an effort to "take out" the people responsible for plotting the assasination attempt against a former president, don't forget.

Or is it only bad when someone proposes killing our enemies without destroying a building in the process?
 
joab said:
We assassinated a leader in Iraq, which one?

The only recently former leader of Iraq I know of is in Iraqi custody awating trial by an Iraqi court

Saddam Hussein was THE leader of Iraq. His thug sons both got what they deserved as did many of the people on the most wanted playing cards. Technically they were killed in a gun battle and not assassinated so you can split hairs if you want.
 
Technically they were killed in a gun battle and not assassinated so you can split hairs if you want.
Hardly hair splitting unless you want to claim that all of our soldiers who kill enemy combatants are just paid assassins.
 
Take exception to a senile old salvation peddler's open call for the assassination of a democratically elected foreign leader, and be "derogatory towards religion".
Let me be clear. I don't consider Robertson to be religious nor does he speak for the religious community. I consider him to be a snake oil salesman who cons religious people. Back when rural Americans ploughed their fields with mules he was one of the lazy boys who figured out that memorizing scripture and spouting it back in the comfort of a nice shady church was more lucrative than ploughing; the same way that in atheist Russia Comrade Stalin figured out that offing the competition in the name of state socialism paid better than working in the factory.

Robertson is no more religious than you are, Marko, he just pretends for the money. Bringing religion into the discussion demeans all religion, which may well be the intent of the media.

Consider this a denunceation of Pat Robertson and a proclamation I consider he is not remotely Christian in his actions nor attitudes.
 
We assasinated a leader in Iraq? Which one?

The only recently former leader of Iraq is in Iraqi custody, awaiting trial in Iraqi court.

Well it wasn't from a lack of trying. When you're dropping JDAMS from high altitude bombers with the goal of sliding one down the back of Saddam's whitety-tighties, I would call that at least an attempted assasination.
 
I think I had better look up assassination. Is it only considered assassination if you are killing someone you have not declared war on?

On dictionary.com, their definition is:
as·sas·si·nate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ss-nt)
tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates
To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons.
To destroy or injure treacherously: assassinate a rival's character.

I guess a declaration of war pretty much takes away the surprise. My bad.
 
I think I had better look up assasination. Is it only considered an assasination if you're killing someone you haven't declared war on?

I guess a declaration of war pretty much takes away any surprise. My bad.

Yes. Your bad indeed. Now that brings up an interesting little detail not many folks here like to talk about...........I don't recall Congress having declared war against anyone.

I also have no recollection of the Iraqi govt being informed that the Congress of the United States voted to declare war against said Iraqi govt and that a state of war exists between the United States and Iraq. Unless of course Congress convened and declared war without my knowledge in say oh...the last ten minutes or so. :rolleyes:

We have pseudo wars declared on drugs, terror and other ill-defined, abstract ideas, but no formal and legal declarations of war against defined persons/govts responsible for terror, drugs, etc.

Until Congress goes through this little formality and votes up or down to declare war on Iraq, I would imagine targeting him with bombs would qualify as an assasination attempt. Surprise or not.

dev null,

Don't ya think that the KIAs were all pretty much aware that they were getting into a gunfight?
 
> Don't ya think that the KIAs were all pretty much aware that they were getting into a gunfight?

Well, *I* think so, but it sounded like you were inferring that dropping JDAMs = assassination attempt. Was I reading too quickly (again)?
 
Are you not entertained that Roberts spoke his mind and people freaked out?

That should show you the sad state of conservative treatment.
 
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