Pat Robertson: A mind is a terrible thing to waste

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progunner1957

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It appears that the bright TV studio lights and hair spray fumes have finally caught up to Brother Pat...

For the love of God, somebody get this man a tinfoil hat - QUICK!!! :D :D

Pat Robertson Calls for Hugo Chavez's Assassination

Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club."

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.

Electronic pages and a message to a Robertson spokeswoman were not immediately returned Monday evening.

Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent of Venezuela's total exports.

Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say are conspiring against Chavez.

Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. (What the H***?!?!?) :eek: :eek:

He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." :D :D ROFLM*O!!!!
 
Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson apologized on Wednesday for calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying he spoke in frustration earlier in the week.
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/24/MTFH85487_2005-08-24_20-37-45_SCH362917.html

Funny how he's immediately called a "conservative" and linked to the republicans and Bush. When left wing moonbats say outragous things, like this Cindy Sheehan, no such link is made in the other direction.
 
Funny how he's immediately called a "conservative" and linked to the republicans and Bush. When left wing moonbats say outragous things, like this Cindy Sheehan, no such link is made in the other direction.
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Yup... Remember that book Bernard Goldberg wrote about the media? It was titled "Bias" for a reason... :mad: :mad:

There's the truth and the news - never the twain shall meet.
 
Oh, come on, don't you guys remember reading how Jesus had the Roman Emperor rubbed out?

The good news is that Pat can lay hands on his own head and heal himself. :D
 
I think he was just being sarcastic, and saying the exact same thing alot of people have been thinking about. (Not necessarily this dictator, but alot of others)

WHY spend x dollars and lives when a covert team could kill (insert dictator) in his sleep?

I think its hilarious that he said it.....and don't think he should have appologised (sp?) one bit.....
 
WHY spend x dollars and lives when a covert team could kill (insert dictator) in his sleep?
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That's another, and more interesting, question.

This Chavez fellow is a wannabe Fidel Castro, an avowed enemy of America, and has a big stick to hit us with - we get a lot of oil from Venezuela. We are going to have to do something about him.

If that something is a 7.62 to the brain stem, I won't be all that upset.
 
It may not have been "politically correct" to make that suggestion, but ultimately it may be a good idea. Pat may be prescient.

Chavez apparently hates the USA, and may become a significant problem some day. I am in favor of taking care of problem nations in our hemisphere, using the same techniques we used against Iraq.

Funny how he's immediately called a "conservative" and linked to the republicans and Bush.
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IIRC, Pat has espoused conservative views for years and has been a Bush supporter as well - I don't see the suddeness implied.

EDITED TO ADD: However in retrospect Pat's polictal views and support of Bush have no relevancy to the statement and to add those comments into a report add no factual value to that report.
 
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I am not an expert on Mr. Chavez - but from what I have read, he is an elected leader and public opinion polls in Venezuela show about 70% for him. I don't think Venezuela is about to invade the USA either. How could you justify assassinating a president then? Just because he is opposed to US policies and criticizes our government? And if we think that's a legal/just way to behave, then shouldn't any countries that President Bush criticizes assassinate him? Sure would make life easier there for those governments to silence their foreign critics by killing them also, right??
 
This Chavez fellow is a wannabe Fidel Castro, an avowed enemy of America, and has a big stick to hit us with - we get a lot of oil from Venezuela. We are going to have to do something about him.
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You know, it's not like we have some sort of God-given right to Venezuelan petroleum.
 
Whether or not assassination is a viable or efficient political tool is not the question here. Whether it is *ethical* for a so-called "man of God" to be calling for it is what has folks talking.

Personally, I think the US should "take out" Pat Robertson. :D
 
Here is an exceprt from Wikipedia on Hugo Chavez, copied here so that the contributors to this thread have some common ground to work from.

International Relations
Chávez has made Latin American integration one of the centerpieces of his policies. This has come in many forms: the creation or extension of joint institutions like Petrosur, Telesur, and Mercosur; bilateral trade relationships with other Latin American countries, including arms purchases from Brazil, oil-for-expertise trades with Cuba, and a pipeline through Colombia. Venezuela's relationship with its neighbor Colombia has been rocky at times, though; with events like the Rodrigo Granda affair temporarily throwing the relationship into crisis.


In May 2005 Presidents Chávez and Castro sign the document creating the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA), which deepens integration between the Cuban and Venezuelan economies. The signing was also an apparent protest against the U.S.-backed Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).Venezuela under Chávez has had a mostly antagonistic relationship with the United States. Chávez's public friendship and significant trade relationship with Cuba and Fidel Castro have undermined the U.S. policy of isolating Cuba, and long-running ties between the U.S. and Venezuelan militaries were severed on Chávez's initiative. Chávez's stance as an OPEC price hawk has raised the price of oil for the United States, as Venezuela pushed OPEC producers towards a higher price, around $25 a barrel. During Venezuela's presidency of OPEC in 2000, Chávez made a ten-day tour of OPEC countries, in the process becoming the first head of state to meet Saddam Hussein[1], since the Gulf War. Despite OPEC duties, the visit was controversial at home and in the US. Chávez did respect the ban on international flights to and from Iraq (he drove from Iran, his previous stop).[8] Ever since, President Chávez has consolidated diplomatic relations with Iran, including defending its right to civilian nuclear power.[9]

Chávez has been intensely critical of U.S. economic and foreign policy: in Iraq, Haiti, regarding the Free Trade Area of the Americas and in numerous other areas. On 20 February 2005, Chávez stated that he had reasons to believe that the U.S. had plans to have him assassinated; he said that any attempt would mean that Venezuela would cut off oil to the U.S. [10] His rhetoric has sometimes touched the personal: in response to the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004, Chávez called U.S. President George W. Bush a pendejo (differing translations have been proposed [2]); in a later speech, he made personal remarks regarding Condoleezza Rice.

The United States has consistently opposed Chávez, recognizing the Carmona government during the 2002 coup, calling Chávez a "negative force" in the region, and requesting support from Venezuela's neighbors in isolating Chávez. The U.S. has opposed and lobbied against numerous Venezuelan arms purchases, including a purchase of 100,000 rifles from Russia, which Donald Rumsfeld implied would be passed on to FARC, and the purchase of aircraft from Brazil. At the 2005 meeting of the Organization of American States, a United States resolution to add a mechanism to monitor the nature of democracies was widely seen as a move to isolate Venezuela. The failure of the resolution was seen as politically significant. (For more, see U.S.-Venezuelan relations.)

During August 2005, Chávez stated that "socialism is the only path," and told students attending a youth festival that the collective goal is to "save a world threatened by the voracity of U.S. imperialism." This World Festival of Students and Youth was the 16th; the first, in 1947, was held in Czechoslovakia, and during the Cold War most host countries were aligned with the Soviet bloc. Apart from the former Soviet Union, other host countries of this Festival have included Romania, Poland, Finland, Cuba, the former East Germany, and North Korea. [11] On 22 August 2005, Pat Robertson said in a broadcast of the The 700 Club that Chávez was a threat to US security and that "if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."[12] Robertson has since apologized for calling for an assassination, but again justified taking action against Chávez, comparing him to Hitler.[13]
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Jewish Mafia...

Oh, come on, don't you guys remember reading how Jesus had the Roman Emperor rubbed out?
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Really??? I thought it was all the Jewish doctors back then that got together and had Jesus whacked - all those miracles and healings He was performing was costing them business :D :D ...
 
but from what I have read, he is an elected leader
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The Chavez-controlled National Electoral Council (CNE) forbade access to the tallying centers, not only to Carter's people but also to representatives of the opposition, and even to the two members of the CNE who opposed Chavez.
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/15/144227.shtml
I've also heard of reports that people who vote against him wind up losing their jobs. This guy is no George Washington.
Whether it is *ethical* for a so-called "man of God" to be calling for it is what has folks talking.
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Is it ethical to even report what he says, being that he is just a washed-up has-been televangelist? He's not an administration, or any other, official of any kind. Why is what he says worth blowing up into an international story in the first place, why is he linked to the Bush administration when no link exists?

The answer is clear - the MSM is looking to both hurt Bush and promote a Castro/Sandinesta type left wing government, so they manufactured this story.
 
As far as whether Mr. Chavez is a legitimate leader, there doesn't seem to be much doubt. He does have some energetic opposition within his own country, and faced a recall vote in 2004. While there were reports and accusations of irregularities, Wikipedia reports:

The day before the polling, former U.S. President and Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter of the Carter Center, who had deployed extensive networks of electoral monitors to oversee the referendum, expressed confidence that the vote would proceed in a calm and orderly fashion. "I might project results that will be much more satisfactory than they were in 2000 in Florida," said Carter. [4]

On the afternoon of 16 August, Carter and OAS Secretary General César Gaviria gave a joint press conference in which they endorsed the preliminary results announced by the CNE. The monitors' findings "coincided with the partial returns announced today by the National Elections Council" said Carter, while Gaviria added that the OAS electoral observation mission's members had "found no element of fraud in the process". Directing his remarks at opposition figures who have made claims of "widespread fraud" in the voting, Carter called on all Venezuelans to "accept the results and work together for the future".
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So, the Carter Center observers, as well as those from the Organization of American States (a US dominated international body), declared that result valid.

From what I have been able to find out about Mr. Chavez, he is not a perfect man, but, on the other hand, he has a lot of positive accomplishments for his people, who clearly support him in the majority - his support base comes from Venuzela's poor, who are actually 60% of the country. On a personal level, I can't get real hateful against someone who focuses on helping the majority of his country, and in particular, the little guy. The US actually supports many leaders who are farrrrrrrr worse than Chavez, but who are willing to do its bidding.

Chavez apparently called Bush a "pendejo", which seems to translate variously as "stupid" or "a prick". The US is heavily involved in Latin America - that involvement is both overt and covert, and is very controversial itself.

As far as Pat Robertson goes, he is a nationally known (at the least) religious leader, and made the calls for assassination on national television on his own program. That doesn't sound like a media conspiracy to me, just stupidity.
 
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Whether or not assassination is a viable or efficient political tool is not the question here. Whether it is *ethical* for a so-called "man of God" to be calling for it is what has folks talking.
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Well it IS a viable and very efficient.

As for being ethical for a man of God to say? Depends on your ethics. There are MANY instances in the Bible where God called for the absolute destruction of entire cities and nations because they refused to obey him. He even instructed one army to kill everyone down to the last living thing, destroy the place, burn it to the ground, and sow the land with salt so that NOTHING would EVER live there again.

Just an instance, not saying God called for this guys assassination or anything, just that destroying the BG is a common thread in the Bible, so may indeed be ethical in 'ol Pat's mind to feel that way.


I PERSONALLY advocate whacking all these dangerous whackos who threaten the USA. Take them out before they can take you out. Simple survival. There are too many instances where we let 'em live, grow in power, and they come back to bite us in the butt.....
 
I keep recalling reading of the assassination of of Marat by Charlotte Corday, assassination of by Stalin's GPU agents, the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich by the Czeckoslovakians, assassination of King and the two Kennedy brothers, and attempts on the lives of Ford, Wallace and Reagan. But I keep coming up with nothing regarding religion.

So what exactly does religion have to do with this except that Robinson is a poser who likes to dupe religious people? He would do the same thing to atheists were the majority of elderly people in this country were atheists. In fact he has his non religious counterparts in PETA and HSUSA.

I think it may be time to stop religious defamation here even if it is meant as a joke.
 
People call it 'the good book' and they don't look at what it says in there... there's incest, murder, genocide, slavery, rape, witchcraft, assassination...
The Bible is not a children's book by any means - especially the old Testament...
 
IMHO assaination is a great meathod to use to get rid of dictators. but now that this guy opened his big mouth we can't really do it even if we wanted to. if Chavez were to be assainated the US would be blamed where as before there could have been deniability. so even if there was any reason to have Chaves killed Robertson blew it. And if it was never a real possibility he is just making a fool out of himself. Either way this comment was just designed to blow his own horn and get some publicity.
 
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