Pat Buchannan loses his mind

Stephen Ambrose notes in his book on the transcontinental railroad that travel and communication changed more between the time of Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln than it did between the times of Napoleon and Julius Caesar (at least overland.) It is entirely possible that Washington was right in the 18th century, but has ceased to be right in the 21st.

Isolation used to stop viruses, too, but ask any epidemiologist whether the CDC is watching Africa.
 
Regarding where are the moderate Islamists?

1. What media would publish and promote a moderate muslim viewpoint?
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Any of them. They are in love with the idea of 'moderate Muslims'. They would trumpet any such announcements to the high heavens.

2. What moderate muslim would risk making themselves a target of the well entrenched Wahabbist extremist?
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Now, THERE's a good question. Speaking up against the extremists - even here in America, isn't safe.


So where's the courage?
 
The good citizens of Saudi Arabia do alot more to support Al Quaida than Iraq ever did (Saddam being hated by Osama).

And claiming that Iraq fits into the terrorist picture because Al Quaida showed up after we invaded is logically bankrupt. Our soldiers have a much harder time being targets of Muslim terror when they aren't standing in a Arab war zone.


War on Terror. War in Iraq. Two seperate things.
 
One more question:


Where is the outpouring of condemnation for these terrorist attacks from all of the peaceful Muslims?
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I don't know what irritates me more: 1)That this question gets asked, for instance over at THR, at which time someone (like Marko Kloos) digs up a wagon-load of links to published condemnations from Muslims, and next thing I know the questions gets asked again; or

2)That the person asking this question (yet again) can't find www.google.com or www.teoma.com, can't input 'muslim' + 'terror' + 'condemnation', and/or can't read the outpourings of Muslim condemnations for themselves.

So. In the interests of answering the damned question AGAIN, I went to www.google.com, input 'muslim condemnation of terrorism' and got 47,400 hits. Some of which (yet again) I herein post for general enlightenment.

9/11 condemnations:
http://www.cair-net.org/html/911statements.html
http://www.al-islam.org/dilp_statement.html
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Russian school takeover:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C720DD9E-F195-49C4-90E1-C31595D1A4F5.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3628836.stm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1297664,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/05/russia.arabs.ap/index.html

Nicholas Berg:
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/veiled4allah/008824.php
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=30274
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-05/12/article08.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/12/article03.shtml

Here are the "outpouring of condemnation for these terrorist attacks from all of the peaceful Muslims".

I trust this fully and completely answers the question, and I further trust that this question need not be asked here, or at THR, again.

LawDog
 
Even given the above list, why should the average "moderate Muslim" give a crap about big bad America getting picked on? They may find it distasteful, but it may not seem like a big deal compared with the Palestinian crisis. How many of you speak out against the misuse of power throughout the world? How many letters have you written about what's going on in Sudan?


This whole idea that the US is on some sort of higher plane of moral consciousness is horsehockey. We "do the right thing" when we feel like it, and turn a blind eye when it is inconvenient. We are only the "world's policemen" if policemen get to be selective about which neighborhoods they visit.

Don't expect Muslim people eeking out a living on the other side of the planet to go out of their way to worry about our problems.
 
I say write Israel a check for $1million every time an Arab kills an American. I don't think Arab states will let too many more Americans get killed before they start rooting out more terrorists than even they knew they had.
 
Iraq attacked us? When, exactly, did this happen?
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I haven't seen any Iraqi tanks in my hometown, but North Korea has been practicing firing missiles at us for quite some time now and managed to hit Alaska once already. And also happens to have a nuclear weapons program that we gave to them. Saddam was obviously a bigger threat.
 
I say write Israel a check for $1million every time an Arab kills an American. I don't think Arab states will let too many more Americans get killed before they start rooting out more terrorists than even they knew they had. - FrankDrebin
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That's really clever, but I don't think the world revolves around Israel or that hating Americans is redirected. Our demand for oil and how we protect the supply is the root of it all. I am not saying that we don't have a dramatically pro-Israel agenda also, but Israel gives us an excuse to be involved in the region.
 
"We didn't want this war, they did...they attacked us."

Al qaeda attacked US interests and structiures. Hussein and Iraq did not have jack to do with Al Qaeda, in fact they were enemies. Bin laden had stated publicly that Hussein was an infidel and he would topple his regime.... we took care of that for him. Bin laden also said he would fight to install an Islamic government there.... that war is ongoing even now. It always helps to know who your enemy actually is... to avoid attacking the wrong country.



"They declared war on us."

Al Qaeda did exactly that. And now our resources are tied up in Iraq so we can not focus them on Al Qaeda (who are in pakistan).

I'm not a member of the pat Buchanan fan club, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
I posted this in another thread:

The main supporter of Islamic terrorism now has US troops on its east and west borders. It has American allies on its north border and its south-east border. To the south our Navy controles the Persion Gulf.

Iran was and is the problem.

The President has boxed them in and is generating alot of pressure on the religeous leaders by establishing a free nation(s) on their border.

Your Bush hatred has blinded you to the strategic moves we have made.
 
Hussein and Iraq did not have jack to do with Al Qaeda, in fact they were enemies.
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The underlying truth of the War is, the entire Middle-East lacks the social structures to prevent dictators and terrorists from having safe haven.

THE ENTIRE MIDDLE-EAST.

And there isn't a single one of them them that can be trusted with a nuclear power plant. We all know what'll come out of that.


Even this was from one of LawDog's threads:

"However, a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism."

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups -- in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen -- many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al Qaeda terror network.

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

"The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us."


America is giving the voiceless a fighting chance of speaking out and having a powerful allie to back them up.


I think this is a better thread for Americans living in America to understand why they hear crickets chirping:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0421/p09s02-coop.html

I think that article is one of the best articles I've read on American soil.
 
You really think a country with that much political turmoil needed "boxing in"? Iran's government will self destruct in a few years. And as I said before, the majority of the money and people used in terrorism are Saudi Sunni's, not Iranian Shiias.


I guess we "boxed in" N. Korea, too. That's why Nixon went to China, right? :D
 
Make no mistake; those who are critical of this preemptive action on Iraq are the very ones who would be calling George Bush a chicken for not doing anything about Saddam Huissein if we hadn't gone in there.

My only regret is that we didn't let the Air Force or the Navy handle that mess. I have nothing in the world against ground pounders, but frankly they are just targets for the opertunistic dissidents.

I do not believe in limited warfare; if you are going to war, go with the biggest, badest weapons and machines you've got. A little demonstration of real power might go a long way toward convincing the Arabs that they should find something better to do.
 
Getting back to Pat

I would agree with the comment that like a broken clock PB is right twice a day....on a good day.

Pat finds himself marginalized in the face of a RNC that is dominated by NeoCons and frankly a NeoCon President in he form of W. (and he ain't the only one I'll bet :) )

I think that frustration makes PAt a bit the bomb thrower just to get some face time on TV and the networks seem comfortable letting him get up on his isolated soapbox and roar......about every 4-6 months with regualrity if anyone's checking.

S-
 
" Iran was and is the problem."

Well, that's one opinion. In fact, Saudi Arabia was, is and has been the problem for some time. They have financed Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda for over a decade and continue to do so. They paid for 9/11 and the Cole and Kobar Towers attacks. We have the proof, in fact it is in the 27 pages that the Bush admin had to censor out of the report to our intelligence committee.

Iran is certainly a problem, but when it comes to who is killing Americans, Saudi Arabia is THE problem.
 
Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, whomever.....
Plenty of foreheads, plenty of warheads, plenty of time.
We're not done cleaning house over there by a damn sight.

Moderate Muslims???....

This can all come to a screeching halt tomorrow if these alleged Moderate Muslims repudiate terrorism, slay the terrorists in their midst and force their governments to institute social reforms which deal with the root causes of terror. Otherwise, life will continue to suck for millions of dissaffected folks who will cotinue to attack their 'oppressors' on the promise of a slice of glorious joy in the afterlife.
 
Frankly, I'd be happy to see us completely discontinue the "WOT". Let the suicide bombers blow themselves up in Berlin, Paris, Brussels, New York, L.A., SF, etc. I don't go to those places anyway, and the left would soon STFU. As an added bonus, we'd save a ton of $$ and lots of American military lives. That works for me.
 
I posted this in another thread:

The main supporter of Islamic terrorism now has US troops on its east and west borders. It has American allies on its north border and its south-east border. To the south our Navy controles the Persion Gulf.

Iran was and is the problem.
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They're not the ones shooting missiles at us. North Korea is. Oh btw, if that's the case, why are they selling them weapons? Ooops... :rolleyes:

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0509-07.htm

"If Israeli weapons sales to China induce misgivings, including the most recent U.S. blocked sale of Israel's Phalcon airborne radar, the beneficiaries of Chinese arms transfers of Israeli-American technology are even more disturbing. In 1996, as disclosed in the UN Register of Conventional Arms, China sold over 100 missiles and launchers to Iran, along with a handful of combat aircraft and warships. Even worse, in 1997 the New York Daily News reported that Iraq had deployed Israeli-developed, Chinese PL-8 missiles in the no-fly zones, endangering American pilots."
 
That strategy does have some appeal, Sneevil......

Although there could be a problem with the sacrificial locations.

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Sneevil: Frankly, I'd be happy to see us completely discontinue the "WOT". Let the suicide bombers blow themselves up in Berlin, Paris, Brussels, New York, L.A., SF, etc. I don't go to those places anyway, and the left would soon STFU. As an added bonus, we'd save a ton of $$ and lots of American military lives. That works for me."
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Folks in New York, L.A. and San Fran might disagree with it, but they aren't voting for "W" anyway. :)


And I agree with bountyhunter:
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Noting also that a lot of support for the Shia 'insurgents' in Iraq seems to be coming from Iran.


And Handy:
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"You really think a country with that much political turmoil needed "boxing in"
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Absolutely! Turn up the heat and assist the process of removing the radical mullahs from power. The sooner the better. :)
 
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