Paranoia and the Police State

PG-
On it's face, your argument is quite sensible.
But let me ask you this:
When the War on Terror circles back to Tim McVeigh types and you are targeted, either for your associations or your statements at places like TFL, will it be acceptable for the govt to keep close tabs on your reading, writing, emails and purchases?

I'm not being color blind here and I've repeatedly stated that .gov needs to look closely at certain Visa's in this nation and even more closely at certain Visa Applications; they have and should continue to infiltrate dangerous organizations, just as they did with the Weathermen and the Black Panthers. But to allow "surveilance" of any large, generally legal group is asking for the microscope on your own life and activities.
Rich
 
i am still confused how profiling fits into this. ALL of the passengers on the bus were detained and searched ...

not just the 'suspicious' ones.
 
I have to agree with Rich on this one. Everyones heard this before:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
 
If the US were serious about winning the so-called "War on Terror" President Bush would make an announcement to the world, al-la Jack Kennedy:

"Let it be know that any terrorist attack visited upon the US or her allies, deemed to be the work of Islamic Fascists, shall be met with a full retaliatory strike on Mecca through a method of our choosing."
 
Yeah, nuke the ones that didn't do it. Hey, they bear responsibility, since they share the same religion and don't speak out loudly enough against the bad apples in their midst.

Does that mean I can come and collect your guns, because of Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph?

If nuking people wholesale for the actions of a radical minority is your idea of justice, then you need to have your ethics recalibrated. In that case, you should have no problem whatsoever with Feinstein wanting to collect your guns. After all, 100% of firearms homicides since the inception of the firearm were committed by gun owners.
 
He's got you there.
Its a tough job but you have to go after the people who commit these acts - not just any group to which they happen to belong.
 
Marko Kloos,

If I may, may I ask about yourself.

When you post, you are very passionate, full of conviction, specific in what you say.

I like that, you are not a poser, you are, you. You say what you mean and you mean what you say. This type of honesty deserves praise and continuous, not scorn or disregarded.

It's an honest refreshment of what I've noticed over the boards in my long, and fruitless journey many boards passed, many boards that could be in the future.

If nuking people wholesale for the actions of a radical minority is your idea of justice, then you need to have your ethics recalibrated.
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I have harbored those thoughts, nuking the entire people of, but I've come to realize your thought of thinking, most don't harbor the ills they have against us (the USA) and therefore, I cannot justify, at this time, a total nuke strike.

But I only know what is given to me, so therefore, I cannot say if a strike is made, whether it was right or wrong at the time.

Wayne
 
Redhawk,

Obviously it was a case of profiling simply because the individuals who were acting suspiciously turned out to be who they were.

"The tour bus company, Gray Line, stood by its supervisor. "We have trained our employees to report suspicious activity to the police," its spokesman, David Chien, said. "That is all we did."

On its face, that certainly doesn't sound like profiling to me.
 
Mike-
With respect, that is not the issue. Citizen's cannot be charged with "profiling".....only govt agents may be charged so.

The relevant question is whether NYC has now moved to a point where it is "OK" for LEO's to physically search any person(s) simply because a citizen reported "suspicious activity".

Bloomberg certainly seems to think so. He apologized for the Bus Driver!
Rich
 
"We have trained our employees to report suspicious activity to the police"

so what exactly defines 'suspicious activity', who makes the determination, and who conducts the training? sounds like another ambiguous term, like terrorist, which can be used to turn anyone into a criminal.

perhaps in these cases though, the activity taking place coupled with the ethnicity of the 'suspicious' parties resulted in the notification of the authorities.

i suppose that is profiling.

for example, three white guys in business suits are loitering and conversing in the isles of a cruising airliner. suspicious activity? probably not for most of us.

now make the idling parties middle eastern and viola, we have 'suspicious activity' that results in the apprehension of everyone aboard.
 
With respect, I never said anything about individuals being charged with profiling.

Where did that come from?

I was responding to Redhawk's question, who was apparently asking about Bloomberg's comments.
 
Sorry, Mike. Wasn't putting words in your mouth. I thought you were arguing that it wasn't a case of govt excess ONLY due to the fact "suspicious activity" had been reported by a citizen.

Carry on.
Rich
 
Brits seized

Bloomberg
"The police, who have to react in this day and age and take evidence at face value, had a show of force that probably doesn't make good reading in the paper.... "
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"In this day and age"?

So let's get this straight; the time and the date are the problem? So is this this merely the beginning of a rising and perpetual state of "in this day and age" for each new change in the what we are to expect from the State?

"Show of force"? Was Bloomberg thinking of civil unrest instead of suicide bombers perhaps?

Flight diverted

A flight from Los Angeles to London was diverted to Boston early Tuesday because three Pakistani passengers were acting suspiciously
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Most or at least many experienced peace officers, other professionals etc, know that while it is somewhat difficult to actually articulate what is "suspicious" - we "know it when we see it" right"?

But something to bear in mind is that people fitting the approximate racial and cultural profile "in this day and age" is going make many otherwise innocent people feel and act very nervous.
 
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