Paper Cartridge
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As a member here said earlier, the military exclusively used paper cartridges. The reason? Convenience and reliability. An experienced fighter can reload a Navy six with paper cartridges just as fast as someone manually ejecting spent casings from a modern revolver with a dowel and then inserting new rounds.
Two boxes, each containing six .36 caliber paper cartridges with ball loads or nine .44 paper cartridges fit perfectly into a belt mounted smartphone case.
As a member here said earlier, the military exclusively used paper cartridges. The reason? Convenience and reliability. An experienced fighter can reload a Navy six with paper cartridges just as fast as someone manually ejecting spent casings from a modern revolver with a dowel and then inserting new rounds.
Two boxes, each containing six .36 caliber paper cartridges with ball loads or nine .44 paper cartridges fit perfectly into a belt mounted smartphone case.
The whole subject on combustible cartridges is pretty interesting and it is the "great unknown" on percussion revolvers for most folks. Not that many people realize that combustible cartridges were the standard way these revolvers were used in the military and by lots of other folks as well, such as Western lawmen. On the western lawmen- you could get heavier powder charges loading from a flask so that's how they started out the day and they toted a packet or two of the combustible cartridges for fast reloading.
These cartridges were sold in small wood boxes. The box could be one or two pieces but in both situations there was a wrapper around the outside and a pull string/wire that you pulled to rip open the wrapper and expose the ammunition. Some manufacturers included a hole in the box containing caps.
So....you grabbed the box, pulled the string, and dumped out the six rounds and reloaded ASAP. The wrapper was usually shellacked or varnished to make it waterproof. The military required the packet (the wood box) to be soaked underwater at least 4 hours before buying the ammunition.
If you search the net the original packets are sold as collectibles and there are a lot of images- plus the afore-mentioned books.
There were packets for all the various type revolvers- 36 Navy, 44 Army, the little 31 caliber.
BTW- as I already posted- the first rounds had a foil case so the round itself was waterproof. These were sold in heavy brown paper hence the term "packet". Later, when the paper or fish gut cases were used the rounds were sold in the wood boxes however the term "packet" continued to be used. That's why the wood boxes are called "packets". These boxes were about the size of a deck of p-laying cards. I think two will fit into a cavalryman's "cap" box worn on a belt.
These cartridges were sold in small wood boxes. The box could be one or two pieces but in both situations there was a wrapper around the outside and a pull string/wire that you pulled to rip open the wrapper and expose the ammunition. Some manufacturers included a hole in the box containing caps.
So....you grabbed the box, pulled the string, and dumped out the six rounds and reloaded ASAP. The wrapper was usually shellacked or varnished to make it waterproof. The military required the packet (the wood box) to be soaked underwater at least 4 hours before buying the ammunition.
If you search the net the original packets are sold as collectibles and there are a lot of images- plus the afore-mentioned books.
There were packets for all the various type revolvers- 36 Navy, 44 Army, the little 31 caliber.
BTW- as I already posted- the first rounds had a foil case so the round itself was waterproof. These were sold in heavy brown paper hence the term "packet". Later, when the paper or fish gut cases were used the rounds were sold in the wood boxes however the term "packet" continued to be used. That's why the wood boxes are called "packets". These boxes were about the size of a deck of p-laying cards. I think two will fit into a cavalryman's "cap" box worn on a belt.
The military aspect on the use of paper cartridges is very interesting.
I wonder how much logistics came into play.
With pre-made cartridges they would have an accurate count on how many rounds they had in the field, and for which weapons.
Dispensing pre-made cartridges from the ammunition wagon sounds a lot easier than dishing out loose powder and bullets.
Easier, too, for the quartermaster I would guess.
I have read that the waste of ammunition was much frowned upon by those higher up the command chain.
I wonder how much logistics came into play.
With pre-made cartridges they would have an accurate count on how many rounds they had in the field, and for which weapons.
Dispensing pre-made cartridges from the ammunition wagon sounds a lot easier than dishing out loose powder and bullets.
Easier, too, for the quartermaster I would guess.
I have read that the waste of ammunition was much frowned upon by those higher up the command chain.
A smaller portion of combustible ammunition was made for rifles, mostly the shorter cavalry carbines. It didn't seem that popular. There may have been other issues such as the blast of the cap having to go through a drum and into the bore and also no way to inspect the chamber for embers. All that changed with the percussion revolver. The revolver was ideal for the combustible ammunition that a cavalry man could carry on his belt. As I understand matters the manual for the revolver included instructions on how to load from a flask and I therefore spent some time trying to find out if the Federal Army ever issued flasks to troops. So far I haven't found any thing in that regard.
There is often the idea that first Sam Colt developed the revolver and then, after a period of time, he came up with the idea of combustible ammunition. Actually the combustible ammunition came about almost as soon as the revolver.
There are a few pictorial books on old Colts in bookstores that often show cased sets of revolvers and these cased sets often had a box or two of this type ammunition.
Once again, in the interest of safety, I think to carry ammunition in the field a person is better off with the re-useable plastic or paper tubes (speed loaders). Still, the combustible stuff is interesting and worth a try at the range just to get a better feel for how these revolvers were often used. Just keep any loose ammo covered up- it is COMBUSTIBLE.
There is often the idea that first Sam Colt developed the revolver and then, after a period of time, he came up with the idea of combustible ammunition. Actually the combustible ammunition came about almost as soon as the revolver.
There are a few pictorial books on old Colts in bookstores that often show cased sets of revolvers and these cased sets often had a box or two of this type ammunition.
Once again, in the interest of safety, I think to carry ammunition in the field a person is better off with the re-useable plastic or paper tubes (speed loaders). Still, the combustible stuff is interesting and worth a try at the range just to get a better feel for how these revolvers were often used. Just keep any loose ammo covered up- it is COMBUSTIBLE.
In Cold Mountain (the novel), W.P. Inman talks to the blind peanut vendor about how during the Battle of Fredericksburg, he wished that his comrades could have loaded their rifles with loose powder and ball instead of their issued cartridges because they always let the Federals get so close before firing their volleys and cutting them down. That way they could have "saved on precious powder" by using much smaller charges.
The rifled muskets were ALWAYS issued with preloaded cartridges, at least on the Confederate side. I don't know about the Feds. The Whitworth rifles used by some Confederate marksmen could only be used with the supplied Whitworth cartridge, which contained the hexagonal slug and special grade English sporting powder. The other British weapons imported by the CSA, like the Webley, Adams, and Kerr double action revolvers all came with boxed cartridges.
Flasks were literally non-existent in regular combat issue, unless you count in the fact that some CSA militia units carried their own muskets, including flintlock fowlers, and they probably loaded them with flasks or horns, since these guns most likely were in non-military calibers. So no loading with issued ammo.
The pictures that you see on black powder websites that always show the revolver and a powder flask sitting beside it are erroneous. Most shooters of the day were not recreational shooters. Their lives depended on their weapons' reliability. So they would either use precharged cylinders, or carried reloads in reusable casings made of "India rubber".
We are getting confused here. The paper cartridges for the muskets were not combustible, You used your teeth to tear open the end, removed the Minnie bullet, poured the charge down the bore, then the paper was wadded up and rammed then the Minnie. Then you capped and fired.
On the revolver- those rounds were combustible because the case was treated with nitrates and sulfur. You loaded the whole thing as is and then capped and shot.
It should be noted that these originals used a long tapered bullet and when rammed down the chamber (revolver) the conical could twist, the base was very short. This obviously didn't do much for accuracy plus the powder charges were only about 17 grs- so not maximum.
On the pistol, the two biggest suppliers were Colt and D.C. Sage (Middleton, CT), there were others. Colt used a small two piece wood box and Sage used a one piece wood box. For the South- the Richmond Armory just used a cheap cardboard box that didn't protect the rounds and breakage was an issue.
There are quite a few books on this subject.
On the revolver- those rounds were combustible because the case was treated with nitrates and sulfur. You loaded the whole thing as is and then capped and shot.
It should be noted that these originals used a long tapered bullet and when rammed down the chamber (revolver) the conical could twist, the base was very short. This obviously didn't do much for accuracy plus the powder charges were only about 17 grs- so not maximum.
On the pistol, the two biggest suppliers were Colt and D.C. Sage (Middleton, CT), there were others. Colt used a small two piece wood box and Sage used a one piece wood box. For the South- the Richmond Armory just used a cheap cardboard box that didn't protect the rounds and breakage was an issue.
There are quite a few books on this subject.
maillemaker
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Most musket cartridges were not combustible. There were some attempts at them, however.
I remember one funny one made of guncotton rope on a stick stuck into the rear of the bullet.
Steve
I remember one funny one made of guncotton rope on a stick stuck into the rear of the bullet.
Steve
See the link below for how I do it for revolvers:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=723983
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=723983