Pacers player-involved shooting -- preferential treatment?

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WHO said anything about race??????? I don't watch B-ball so I wouldn't have a clue to whether Jackson is White, Black, Yellow or Purple. So let's all look back and see who the racist was that brought race into this thread.:D Remember, when you go to pointing fingers there is ALWAYS THREE pointed back at YOU! ;)
 
Why shouldn't he get preferential treatment? He's an entertainer, paid to keep millions glued to their TV's every Sunday - that's worth a lot in this society.
 
contender and jeff, the media in Indy injected race into this. There were plenty of discussions of "those people" on sports radio stations.

If Jackson were white, this case would not have made the stink it did. Earlier this summer, a white man shot a robber outside a bar. It made a stink only on the gun boards where gun board members applauded his actions.

Jackson had a license to carry, he had a right to act in self-defense, the police say he committed no crime. Why are gun board members not applauding Jackson's acts???:confused:

Redworm, possession of marijuana (without a script) under 30 grams is a Class A Misdemeanor, 0 to 365 days, 0 to 5K fine. In Jugspitville or SixToe County, there would be an arrest for a horrific crime. In counties such as Marion, under 30 grams will likely be thrown down the sewer and the suspect given a kick in the rear and sent home so the officer can deal with "real crimes."
 
he is probably getting preferential treatment because he is black and a celeb. the dude fired five times into the air. give me a break. do you think one of us could get away with that.

as for the sideways firing you all know it has truth to it. we have all seen the crime shows with the footage of a black guy robbing a gas mart and shooting his gun sideways over the counter at the cashier. it's not a rare thing.we also see tv shows and movies with black guys holding their pistols this way and shooting. are those black actors racist for doing this? ever watch a rap video? you can hardly find one that doesn't show that. black people themselves promote this image of them with guns. so why get all upset when a non black guy (you assumed) mentions it?
 
KSFreeman--
This is not the radio or the media, this is a internet forum and neither the radio or media were mentioned until you injected it. As a matter of fact there was NO mention of Race until you posted in this thread.:barf: I'm sick of people waiting to play the race card every possible chance they get. As far as Jackson is concerned, wrong is wrong is wrong don't matter if your a PINK MAN FROM MARS!


jeff_troop---
The sideways hold might have USED to be a black stereotype but these days on TV and movies I have seen ALL races use this type of hold. The other night I was watching "copycat" with Segourney (spelling?) Weaver and a WHITE WOMAN cop used the hold at the shooting range to outshoot her partner.
 
Indiana law has always been supportive of self-defensive gun use. Even before we got our "no duty to retreat" law, case law had supported it consistently since the 19th Century. Nor is it completely clear if he fired into the air or at the threatening car. If IPD/MCSD says it was a justified use, then that's an end to it. Can't have it both ways -- either we trust folks with guns or we don't. Have to point out that nobody went home dead, either.

As for the pot, the Pacers players may have got a bit of a break; officers do have wide leeway where small amounts are concerned and the choice may have been simply to not make a muddy situation even more so. It happens.

...Even the players probably will admit that hanging out in what I'm told is a kind of low-rent strip club might not have been the most clever choice....

So, majorly stupid and (I hope) a lesson learned; the guys may have got a break a poor kid wouldn't have. But all in all, not a huge deal. This is Indiana; we have the second-highest rate of permit holders in the U.S. and not every one of them is a paragon of perfect behavior. Accept it.
 
The sideways hold might have USED to be a black stereotype but these days on TV and movies I have seen ALL races use this type of hold
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which does not change the fact that blacks are the most common user of it in real life and the entertainment industry.

they also started break dancing, disco and rap even though others copied it.

i just don't get you guys that get so squirmy when the truth is told. sideways shooting is a black thing, deal with it or move on. remember all stereotypes are based in truth......they are not just made up out of the blue.

if it makes you more comfortable i will even things out for you with another stereotype.

white men can't jump, feel better now.
 
contender, point taken, but the police say that Jackson, a pink man from Mars, committed no crime. Let me say that again: Jackson committed no crime.

Jackson has a license to carry from Florida (Indiana recognizes all states and foreign countries), has a right to self-defense, and committed no offense.

Should we not be celebrating this as yet another incident of a legal gun carrier defending himself? Why are we not? What is the motivation of the anger displayed toward Jackson?
 
Not if I couldn't do it and have the same result happen. Last I heard, if I whip out my "gat" and "bust" some "caps" in the air, I'm going to jail.
 
This is a lot of wasted ink, noise and misplaced outrage! Yet another righteous use of a firearm in self-defense, but the blissninnies and racists want to call it a crime. Jackson is owed an apology.
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Nice. You complain that we don't have the "whole story," but you're prepared to paint us all as "racists" -- without knowing US. And yeah, I suppose it's easy to think we're just racists who are envious of a basketball players athletic ability and his pay, when clearly, five shots into the air makes very plain that this was "self defense." :barf:

Have you gone on the record, KS, in any of the "warning shots" threads? I wonder what you had to say about them, then.


-azurefly
 
And what happens if we bust our gat in the air, then get caught with (even a personal stash) of weed? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
 
johnsonrlp said:
If we don't get the people in the middle, the undecideds, we will continue to lose our rights. Because the antis are working really hard to convince them. So just sit back and relax, it'll all be over soon.
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If the antis are succeeding in converting black people to anti-gun-ism, that's not our fault. We've made our efforts to make it clear that we FAVOR black people, in urban and low income areas in particular, to have access to guns (affordable ones) to protect them from crime. We've explained the racist history of gun control, which was a means to keep blacks from being armed to protect themselves. If they now want to cleave to gun control because I said something about black basketball players (and I didn't even specify blackness), then they can bite their noses to spite their faces. YES, I am going on a SUSPICION, borne of what I have seen many times before about "sports stars" with millions of dollars and an inversely proportional amount of brains and maturity: my suspicion is that there were words exchanged about someone's "beeyotch" or some nonsense, and a lot of b.s. bravado ensued, and it spilled into the parking lot and someone thought he'd be perceived as "tough" if he "whipped out his nine, yo." And the fact remains that he did something that ANY of us would have been ARRESTED for, and the police are now acting like his lawyers.

Go ahead, ANYONE here go on and claim that you think that five shots fired into the air would not have gotten any one of us on this forum arrested. (I suppose I might ask the LEOs on this forum to recuse themselves, though.)



jeff_troop said:
Looks to me like we have been gaining rights. awb ended and most states now have some sort of cwp. now there is talk of arming teachers something unheard of even a few weeks ago. so what rights are we continuing to lose?

if you live in a select few states you may be losing rights. nothing i can do about that.
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True. It doesn't look, necessarily, like we're being particularly hurt by not having blacks, who traditionally vote democrat and gun control, "on our side." What do you really think you can do to sway the black vote from supporting gun control, when the facts that crime affects them disproportionately, police abuse affects them disproportionately, and gun control was historically designed to keep them down, all don't spur them to give democrats the finger at election time?

I'd venture that nothing I can say would be pulling blacks back from voting pro-gun-control candidates if their own situation has not awakened them to the fact that it's stupid for them to do so. Conversely, what I say here is not what drives them to vote for those candidates.

And in recent years, as Jeff Troop points out, we have made more strides forward, it appears, than backward.


-azurefly
 
roberta x said:
Nor is it completely clear if he fired into the air or at the threatening car.
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Um, so far EVERY account of this story we've seen says that he fired into the air. Are you saying that it's reasonable for our first reaction to reading, over and over again, that he fired five times into the air, should be, "Well, perhaps he shot at the car"? :confused: :rolleyes:

Show me where any official information has indicated doubt that he fired five shots into the air and I might begin to believe otherwise. For now, though, you seem to be imploring us to take what was reported and then believe the opposite -- why?


-azurefly
 
contender, point taken, but the police say that Jackson, a pink man from Mars, committed no crime. Let me say that again: Jackson committed no crime.

Jackson has a license to carry from Florida (Indiana recognizes all states and foreign countries), has a right to self-defense, and committed no offense.

Should we not be celebrating this as yet another incident of a legal gun carrier defending himself? Why are we not? What is the motivation of the anger displayed toward Jackson?
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The very heart of this issue, KS, is the feeling that although he DID commit a crime (recklessly firing a gun when not in actual necessary self defense) the police let him off for it. So you can't treat "Jackson committed no crime" as an AXIOM in this discussion. That's the very thing we're debating! :eek:

Yes, of course he has a right to self defense. You are obfuscating when you say anything about his right to self defense, because none of us has asserted that he doesn't have that. We are questioning whether drawing and firing his gun -- INTO THE AIR, RATHER THAN AT AN ATTACKER OR ATTACKERS -- really qualifies as having been self defense at all!

The motivation for the "anger displayed toward Jackson" is that I see him as very likely being the type of egotistical, "ghetto," irresponsible, childish, hyper-macho person who put himself into a situation that ended up going bad, and then he whipped out a gun and fired irresponsibly, and then got FAR less hassle and scrutiny from the authorities than I, or you, ever would have gotten.

I'll bet you bitched about O.J. Simpson getting let off for murder -- and we know that the only reason that happened was because he could buy millions of dollars worth of justice.


-azurefly
 
If he was a fat right leaning militia loving white guy, they would be taking up a collection for him and hosannas would be sung about how guns stopped another crime.

But then we have this:

I see him as very likely being the type of egotistical, "ghetto," irresponsible, childish, hyper-macho person who put himself into a situation that ended up going bad, and then he whipped out a gun and fired irresponsibly, and then got FAR less hassle and scrutiny from the authorities than I, or you, ever would have gotten.
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Lets put on our hoods.

WildghettoindeedAlaska
 
You can pretend, if you want, that none of us has any reason to be able to envision a surrounding "type" when a pro-basketball player gets into this kind of situation, but you know what, it only makes you look disingenuous.

Hoods indeed. :rolleyes: Believe whatever you want to believe. No sports figure who ever whipped out a gun in a public place and fired recklessly was ever an "up-from-the-ghetto" kinda guy, right?


WA, what evidence do you have that if this were a "fat right leaning militia loving white guy" who fired five shots into the air that we would all be lining up to support him here on TFL? Or is that maybe just as racist and ignorant a statement as you claim I've made?

So instead of insulting black hoodlums, you're insulting fat guys, right-leaning guys, white guys... I guess that's all okay.


-azurefly
 
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