Pacers player-involved shooting -- preferential treatment?

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I have to say that it surely is sounding to me like Pacers player Stephen Jackson and his teammates, involved in a shooting outside a club early Friday, have received preferential treatment that you or I would not likely have received.

I base this on an article published in The Palm Beach Post 10/07 edition.

I'll transcribe it below because it's not on their website yet. (AP story, may be available elsewhere online.)

INDIANAPOLIS -- Stephen Jackson of the Indiana Pacers fired a gun in the air, apparently in self-defense, (How the HELL can firing into the air, not at an attacker, be considered justifiable self-defense?!))outside a strip club early Friday after he was slugged in the mouth and struck by a car that sent him tumbling onto the hood, police said.

There were no reports of anyone hit by gunfire. (It's hard to hit things you aim at when you turn the gun sideways.) Jackson was limping but refused medical treatment at the scene, police spokesman Sgt. Matthew Mount said. Jackson conferred with a team trainer and sought treatment at a hospital.

Pacers Chief Executive Donnie Walsh said Jackson was out of the hospital and had no serious injuries, but was banged up.

Officers found a small amount of marijuana in the passenger side door of Pacers point guard Jamaal Tinsley's car, police said. Officers could not determine the car's driver or to whom the marijuana belonged, so no arrests were made. (Okay, since when do they not arrest the owner of the car and say that anything found in it was his responsibility? Sounds like the cops gave these guys an easy pass.)

Police were looking for the car that struck Jackson and three men believed to be involved. Jackson was at the Indianapolis club with teammates Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmie Hunter, police said.

Jackson told officers he fired his 9-millimeter pistol five times after he was hit in the mouth and tossed onto the hood of the car, Mount said. (What is his rationale for having fired into the air, not once, not twice, not four times, but FIVE times?!)

Walsh said the team was trying to determine exactly what happened. Coach Rick Carlisle declined comment Friday, and calls by The Associated Press to team President Larry Bird weren't immediately returned. Jackson's agent, Dan Fegan, said he had not spoken to Jackson.
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(Yeah, the guy and his manager haven't spoken about this yet. Uh huh.)


This makes me sick. Sure, sure, "there's a lot of details we don't know yet." But I don't think these guys, so far, are seeming like the kind of people we want representing CCWers.


-azurefly
 
(It's hard to hit things you aim at when you turn the gun sideways.)
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I was LMAO after I read this but then I read this----
Officers found a small amount of marijuana in the passenger side door of Pacers point guard Jamaal Tinsley's car, police said. Officers could not determine the car's driver or to whom the marijuana belonged, so no arrests were made.
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Around here that's a one way ticket to the pokey!:mad:

In another thread there is a guy being charged with reckless fire of a gun while trying to defend his home and now this "B-bal player" is walking away after firing numerous shots into the air outside a strip club because someone hit him in the mouth???!!!! I thought you had to feel your life was in danger before you coould draw your weapon. Before anyone says his life WAS in danger from the car hitting him, if this is true why the hell didn't he fire AT THE CAR!!??

VERDICT according to the facts given----preferential treatment
 
I did, however, just catch a bit of an interview with an Indy cop (a sergeant, I missed the name), in which the cop said, in essence, "we need to figure out exactly what happened. The player had a permit for his pistol, and if it was fired it self-defense, that's OK."

I thought that was a pretty reasonable statement.
 
Jackson has a license to carry a pistol, a right to act in self-defense, apparently cooperated with police and the police have repeatedly stated that no crime was committed. And yet the Indianapolis Star bleats as if some horrific crime transpired even though the very same issue (10/07/06) the Star runs a half page article with the headline that the police say the shooting was justified.

If Jackson were white, no one would have even commented upon this.:mad:

This is a lot of wasted ink, noise and misplaced outrage! Yet another righteous use of a firearm in self-defense, but the blissninnies and racists want to call it a crime. Jackson is owed an apology.
 
I believe this "preferential treatment" whining is pure nonsense as well. People are envious of his athletic skill and his pay. Now this incident allows the green-eyed monster to bubble up.
 
If a DA can want to file charges on that guy who fired one shot too many in self defense, he can file charges on 5 warning shots in the air. And if any other one of us got caught with herb AND a gun while firing in the air, self defense or not, we'd be in jail.

+1 on preferential treatment. But hey, it's gotta happen to someone right?
 
What are the Indiana laws on possession of marijuana? I know that in some states carrying under a certain amount won't get you arrested. This doesn't necessarily mean he's gotten preferential treatment but truth be told you cannot expect every LEO to be completely unbiased and not be a little star struck when his favorite player gets in trouble. Not saying it's right but it's a completely natural reaction. It's not like they're letting him get off with murder.


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(It's hard to hit things you aim at when you turn the gun sideways.)
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What makes you assume he was holding it sideways? The fact that he's black, a basketball player, possibly smokes pot....what? For all you know he spends more time at the range than you do and could outshoot you with one hand tied behind his back.

We all know what happens when you assume.
 
+1 Redworm. And FWIW Indy has some pretty strict drug laws, however, the officers do have a lot of discretion when dealing with 'minor' amounts of marijuana.
 
Remember when they let Willie Nelson go because everything was split up among 7 people? I think in a lot of other places 7 people would have gone to jail instead of one.

And 5 rounds in the air is irresponsible, I just can't see otherwise. Any one of us would have lost our nice pistol, for a while if not indefinitely.
 
I had to quit when I got to this...
(It's hard to hit things you aim at when you turn the gun sideways.)
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Wow. Do you think you could've alienated any other races to our cause? Or was one enough for today?
 
Im not sure if his intention was motivated by race but hold your hand straight above your head and see which way the gun would be pointed. sideways is the natural postion your hand falls into when you're holding something above your head.

SW
 
It doesn't matter so much what he meant. It matters so much that we are already percieved as racists and giving the antis ammo is bad. Plus, what if a black prospective gun owner just read that and said never mind. I'm not saying we should always be PC. But perpetuating our own stereotypes is a critical error in our quest to convert the fence sitters.
 
Wow. Do you think you could've alienated any other races to our cause? Or was one enough for today?
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as if the races were all getting along until that statement was made. :rolleyes:

But perpetuating our own stereotypes is a critical error in our quest to convert the fence sitters.
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it's not my job to convert anyone of any color to anything. is that why you joined this forum?
 
If we don't get the people in the middle, the undecideds, we will continue to lose our rights. Because the antis are working really hard to convince them. So just sit back and relax, it'll all be over soon.
 
looks to me like we have been gaining rights. awb ended and most states now have some sort of cwp. now there is talk of arming teachers something unheard of even a few weeks ago. so what rights are we continuing to lose?

if you live in a select few states you may be losing rights. nothing i can do about that.
 
Right. So by spouting racial steriotypes, and not getting new people interested in shooting, we've been doing a lot better. Or has it been the other way around? I think you just made my point.
 
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