P99 AS or PPQ

The M2 mag release spring was updated.
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That's goodness. It means that the PPS M2 may have nothing for me to object to, and that when I get my hand around that redone ergonomically improved grip I will not be able to let it go, and will have to reach for my wallet with my other hand and buy it.

Seriously, it will be a bit tough to resist the PPS M2.

Bart Noir
 
That's a comment I've never EVER understood from the "constant pull crowd" :)

A DA/SA is actually a SA/DA. You don't have to use the decocker or ever shoot in DA in the whole life of the pistol. Once you load the first round, it is in SA.
 
But Wild Cat, what if you want to carry that gun, in a holster, strapped to you soft and juicy anatomy?

Do you want it to be cocked with only a light, short trigger pull separating you from hearing damage and, by the way, a hole in the previously mentioned anatomy?

Thumb safeties, or DA trigger pull, or relatively strong trigger pulls are the known methods of making the gun safe to holster and carry.

Bart Noir
Who tries to keep a little bit skilled in all types. That's an excuse to shoot more.
 
Thumb safeties, or DA trigger pull, or relatively strong trigger pulls are the known methods of making the gun safe to holster and carry.
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I would say those are argued methods of making the gun safe. The PPQ has none of those.
 
TunnelRat, I sold my PPQ because I thought the trigger was too light for safe self-defense carry. It was great to shoot, but I prefer the P99 which has just as good of a trigger, in the SA mode.

And It has the DA mode for carrying it.

I realize others may make different decisions on this sort of subject.

Bart Noir
 
8.5# DA, 4.5# SA. Yes, can carry in Anti-Stress mode.

Had both, preferred the P99AS, though the PPQ has arguably one of the best stock triggers I've fired. But, the P99 AS in single action has an identical pull, minus a trigger dingus. Mine was actually slightly lighter in SA than the PPQ. Oh, and I prefer the paddle release on the P99 & PPQ as well, can't stand the button placement on the M2 model.

If I could only get my grubby paws on the European-only P99Q (not the P99 QA, big difference)....

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Love my M1 PPQ. I got used to the paddle release on my HK's. Love the trigger and ergo's. As far as a light trigger pull JMHO the only real safety is between the ears. I am carrying my PPQ right now on my right hip. Carried every trigger mode out there. Just don't touch the trigger until you are on target. Problem solved.
 
TunnelRat, I sold my PPQ because I thought the trigger was too light for safe self-defense carry. It was great to shoot, but I prefer the P99 which has just as good of a trigger, in the SA mode.

And It has the DA mode for carrying it.

I realize others may make different decisions on this sort of subject.

Bart Noir
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Bart, I used to keep my PPQ loaded as my home defense weapon. It has an absolutely great trigger.

But, I eventually came to the same conclusion you did. For me, the trigger pull is just too light for a stressful home defense situation. I've now got my PX4 with a laser/flashlight combo attached as my HD weapon of choice - loaded and decocked of course.

I've still got my PPQ, but I use it at the range only. Great gun, but not my choice for HD.

And, to whoever says the only safety is between the ears, I say B.S. We are imperfect creatures who sometimes make mistakes. If we were perfect, we'd all be carrying a 1911 cocked and UNLOCKED.
 
I've had a "2nd Gen" P99AS since 2007, and just acquired a new PPQ M2 5" a few weeks ago. Both are chambered in .40 S&W.

I've replaced the stock striker springs in both with the Glock 5 lb. factory striker spring; this, together with some judicious polishing of the internal components, has reduced the SA trigger pull on the P99AS to around 3 lbs. and that of the PPQ to around 2.8 lbs.

As someone earlier in this thread had mentioned, the grip profile of the P99AS is a little more squared off than the PPQ's. I personally prefer holding the P99AS as the grip (with the medium backstrap) feels a bit "meatier" in my hands, which helps handle the recoil of the .40 S&W cartridge. The more rounded grip profile of the PPQ feels nicer to hold, but seems to sting a bit more when shooting the .40 S&W (this probably won't be an issue with the 9mm version).
 
Bart Noir said:
TunnelRat, I sold my PPQ because I thought the trigger was too light for safe self-defense carry. It was great to shoot, but I prefer the P99 which has just as good of a trigger, in the SA mode.

And It has the DA mode for carrying it.
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FWIW I'm with you on this.

The stock Glock and M&P trigger are about the lightest and shortest I find appropriate for a no-safety carry gun. As much as I like firing the PPQ (and TP9SA and VP9) at the range, I find the triggers too short and light to be reassuring for carry without a thumb safety. Personal preference.

I appreciate that Walther offers both options.
 
I've fired the PPQ at a rent-a-range but I own a p99AS.
I like being able to set the trigger to AS with one in the chamber.
 
and that of the PPQ to around 2.8 lbs
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:eek:

dleong, please tell us that this is a range and competition gun only. My view is that this trigger pull is too light for self-defense, either carried in a holster or stashed in an easy to reach location at home.

If you carry, be careful!!!

Bart Noir
 
I don't know if I would carry in Anti Stress mode of the P99.
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I wouldn't. Decocked is the only way I've ever carried the P99AS. The de-cocked P99AS trigger (very smooth and not terribly long 8lb pull) is still better than most.

Where the Anti-Stress trigger makes a lot of sense is in a home defense role.

Say a noise awakens you in the night. You will almost certainly be somewhat disoriented. You reach for the pistol and rack a round in the chamber. You may fail to immediately de-cock. The Anti-Stress trigger is is exactly what the name implies. It's an extra margin of safety when you are stressed.

We say we always follow the 4 rules, but stress, adrenaline, and disorientation can overcome even the best-trained and most well-prepared of us.
 
I have both the P99AS and original PPQ Navy

I prefer the trigger of the PPQ otherwise they are very similar.
 
Bart Noir said:
dleong, please tell us that this is a range and competition gun only. My view is that this trigger pull is too light for self-defense, either carried in a holster or stashed in an easy to reach location at home.

If you carry, be careful!!!
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Yup, it's strictly a range run.

The 5" PPQ is a surprisingly accurate firearm (at least with my subsonic target handloads), and the lighter trigger definitely helps with achieving this accuracy.
 
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