P99 AS: Any cautionary tales?

RX-79G said:
And I already said that it is, in part, a product of how many triggers already work. But Walther added something so the trigger stays forward in more circumstances - which appears very intentional.
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Agreed. It's a pretty clever idea in my mind to help mitigate a negligent discharge while doing what is likely a combat reload.

RX-79G said:
That's the riddle of the ages. My answer - marketing. Glock sold this concept to consumers and police in the '80s, and it is now accepted that the intentions of the designer are a better indicator of safety than reason or numbers.

Some folks are coming back around to thinking that a 10 pound trigger may be safer than a 5 pound for carry, but I doubt that's ever going to really catch on.
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Agreed again. Todd Green on pistol-training.com posted a short essay in March I think defending the good ole DA/SA pistols. It's worth a read:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/9025
 
RX-79G said:
They are also poorly supported by a series of US importers that just don't care.
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The main downside is getting parts when something small breaks in the pistol - which is not necessarily a common occurrence.
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Walther previously had a series of US importers. Since 2013, Walther Arms, Inc., a subsidiary of Carl Walther Sportswaffen's holding company, has handled all importation, sales, marketing, distribution, and servicing of Walther products in the United States.

RX-79G said:
For people who want to carry a 5 pound trigger all the time, Walther makes a QA trigger that has a trigger safety as well. The AS only has one carry mode.
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The P99AS also has a trigger safety - at least Walther thinks so.
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It sure does. Do the DAO and QA models then have two trigger safeties?


I don't know anything about the new importer, since they are pretty new. Regardless of who they work for, the US employees have to care about US consumers, which has not been a historic priority for Walther. I really hope this move changes that.
 
The P99AS also has a trigger safety - at least Walther thinks so.
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The P99AS does indeed have a trigger safety that operates much like the Glock trigger safety.

However, instead of a small blade, the safety forms the entire trigger face and moves over a smaller interior piece. This function was more visible on very early 1st-gen P99s, but Walther re-designed the trigger after the first few thousand P99s to make the outer piece larger.
 
But the DAO and QA also (or instead) have a Glock/XD style tap on the center of the trigger.

I don't entirely understand what the difference between the AS trigger safety and any other modern trigger. Is there a way to push on the AS trigger that is not going to fire the gun that a Beretta trigger would?
 
The QA does not have a blade trigger safety. It is a solid trigger just like the AS trigger.

As to the AS trigger safety, hopefully this helps some.
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You're correct - I was thinking of the QA-like PPQ.


The explanation of the trigger safety is ridiculous. It apparently only prevents the accidental movement of the internal trigger bar from a drop. So not much of a safety.

Not that a Glock tab is much of a safety, either.
 
I am going to just state what most know and that is that the P99 sure is a marvelous gun from many standpoints.

My ONLY gripe would be the warranty.

That being said after reviewing everything I did decide to go with the P99AS over the PPQ. Mainly because I am already very comfortable and familiar with the DA/SA system as my main carry gun is an HK P2000 in .40. Put the order in and now I gotta wait for it...
 
It apparently only prevents the accidental movement of the internal trigger bar from a drop. So not much of a safety.
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My understanding of the Glock safety was that this was its original intent as well, or for that matter any trigger that is lighter than the typical DA. The idea is that a DA type trigger pull would require too much inertia for a drop to set it off, while the lighter trigger of the Glock and others might not. It isn't so much to stop negligence as it is to stop accidents.
 
Fishbed77,

I'm referring to the trigger surface where your finger contacts and pulls the trigger. Meaning no Glock-style blade safety. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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Where on the diagram does it say that?
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Lower left paragraph, second sentence:
"The mechanism prevents unintentional movement of the trigger bar.(3)"


If inertia was sufficient to move the trigger, the trigger is going to move. The trigger tab on a Glock has so little mass that overcoming its inertia would require a much greater impact than getting just the trigger to move.
 
But right in that same paragraph (in fact the end of that sentence) it says, "for example as a result of an impact or a fall." Doesn't that suggest that the P99 trigger "safety" performs the same function as the Glock trigger "safety"? Edit: Or are you saying it goes about it in a different fashion?
 
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Drop safety means that the component is somehow prevented from moving when force is applied to it. On a Glock trigger that happens because there is an additional component that stops it.

On the AS, the trigger is just a trigger. However, the trigger is hinged in a way that makes it impossible for the trigger bar to move without the trigger moving as well. But the trigger is free to move, since it has no device stopping it.

So they don't do the same thing at all. They may accomplish something similar in preventing the gun from firing under impact, but I don't know that's really a problem for any pistol. Maybe it's a striker problem, since all the trigger components are linear.
 
Ah yea I meant the purpose was similar. I do see they go about it in a different way. I also agree it's sort of odd to mention it as a "safety".
 
I'll be the one dissenting opinion regarding the p99AS trigger -- I owned one and hated it. I have a PPQ now and love it.

The trigger on the p99 AS, when in the long light AS mode, has a small hitch where the short light trigger resets to on for the second shot. It drove me crazy, I couldn't get used to it. It doesn't seem to bother the majority of people, but I'd say to give it a try before buying.
 
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